Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 21, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: No cos I’d rather save my £10 and moan on here You can contact them for free via email, twitter, facebook etc. or through an online form on their website. https://www.bwfcst.co.uk/contact-us Edited July 21, 2022 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: It doesn’t need a new one. We have one. They just need greater communication with the wider fan base. Some will argue “we’ll pay your money and then you can have your say” my view is the trust themselves should be more proactive in reaching out to the wider fanbase. as an example - I don’t think many if any current season ticket holders would have an issue if the club asked if they could share details (name / email address) with the trust in order to gain feedback / complete survey monkeys or whatever when fans feel like they’re being asked and more importantly heard they would be more inclined to invest time and money in to the trust. Being asked to pay then you might get asked about some things is clearly putting people off Im struggling with what folk actually want from the ST. Bigger representation? What will that matter in a mainly passive organisation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Underpants said: Im struggling with what folk actually want from the ST. Bigger representation? What will that matter in a mainly passive organisation? Suppose that’s the million dollar question. But surely more than what is being done now. The perception of it overall isn’t very positive is it the club clearly value it’s opinion and seem to have acted on a few of them - recent ground refresh being one and i do think it could be a very useful vehicle for more if it became more consultative with the wider fan base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Suppose that’s the million dollar question. But surely more than what is being done now. The perception of it overall isn’t very positive is it the club clearly value it’s opinion and seem to have acted on a few of them - recent ground refresh being one and i do think it could be a very useful vehicle for more if it became more consultative with the wider fan base It's good for the club to be seen having a direct line with the fans, and visa-versa. There is also a sense of kudos with the group. In its present state the ST will not upset the apple cart with the club, and that probably won't change even if it has a larger membership or bank account. Edited July 21, 2022 by Underpants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 47 minutes ago, Underpants said: Im struggling with what folk actually want from the ST. Bigger representation? What will that matter in a mainly passive organisation? I do not want anything from them, just a stop to claims that they are THE voice of the fans, they are not, they represent a segment of support and probably fit the segment Neil wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 21, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, Ani said: I do not want anything from them, just a stop to claims that they are THE voice of the fans, they are not, they represent a segment of support and probably fit the segment Neil wants. They are the voice of the fans who can be arsed doing something beyond moaning on internet forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Cheese said: They are the voice of the fans who can be arsed doing something beyond moaning on internet forums. If you had an ounce of sense you would realise what is wrong with your comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 21, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Ani said: If you had an ounce of sense you would realise what is wrong with your comment. This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 before the Trust what was the Group called was it BWSA what happend to them i went once it was like a Nursing Home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 21, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, little whitt said: before the Trust what was the Group called was it BWSA what happend to them i went once it was like a Nursing Home Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 @victor meldrewthe wandersways delegate to the supporters trust. Can a fancy name badge be knocked up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted July 21, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 Didn't we have members on here try to join the trusts board. It was made impossible from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 21, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Cheese said: If everyone moaning about the Supporters Trust because "they don't represent me" set up their own Supporters Group, they'd have far more members than the current Supporters Trust, and hold far more sway with the club. But they won't, because it's easier to moan than actually do anything. 2 hours ago, Cheese said: They are the voice of the fans who can be arsed doing something beyond moaning on internet forums. Both your points assume those outside of the ST actually believes there is a need and a place for such an entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 21, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, MickyD said: Both your points assume those outside of the ST actually believes there is a need and a place for such an entity. No they don't. Unless you're assuming that everyone who is unhappy with the Supporters Trust thinks it should be abolished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 21, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2022 On 21/07/2022 at 10:03, Cheese said: Do something about it then. Have you aired these views to the Supporters Trust? I don't care either way if they exist or not and if they do will leave them to it I paid my £10 at the time as I hoped for them to be a pain in KAs arse and it was the least I could But from what I recall, it's a closed shop and airing such views won't make an ounce of difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted July 22, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2022 It was hoped it would be a pain in the arse when that shit was here fucking us over but he just didn't acknowledge the ST. I don't think it has fully recoved from that. The club has given it a degree of credibility now, but I'm not sure how many teeth it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 23, 2022 Members Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 21/07/2022 at 16:05, MickyD said: Both your points assume those outside of the ST actually believes there is a need and a place for such an entity. Why do you bother even rising to the contrary cunt? If you were arguing for the ST, he'd be vehemently against it. He doesn't assume anything. He's just looking for the right room for an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 23, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, bolty58 said: Why do you bother even rising to the contrary cunt? If you were arguing for the ST, he'd be vehemently against it. He doesn't assume anything. He's just looking for the right room for an argument. This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted July 23, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 23, 2022 No it’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted July 25, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 21/07/2022 at 13:49, barryk32 said: Didn't we have members on here try to join the trusts board. It was made impossible from memory. They asked for help when they first started. I know people who contacted them and didnt even get a reply. They don’t represent me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I offered to get involved and link the Trust to Bolton's largest bank of online fans (WWays if you hadn't worked it out) and they weren't interested in our "sort". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 27, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2022 On 25/07/2022 at 22:25, Traf said: I offered to get involved and link the Trust to Bolton's largest bank of online fans (WWays if you hadn't worked it out) and they weren't interested in our "sort". Given the comments on here, and the varying views at the time, you can understand them not bothering with your offer. Rightly or wrongly. On this, I reckon cheese has a point. No doubt it doesn't seem brilliantly run, but absolutely nothing stops interested parties paying their money, standing for election, and changing it from within. Can even change the rules and make admission free if desired. Given its small membership size, with adequate support from likeminded fans, someone from here or elsewhere may well find it quite easy to get onto the board and make changes. Ultimately though, you'll never please everyone all of the time, and even with the best of intentions, I reckon board members could readily get pissed off with it. I joined initially, for obvious reasons, but once we'd got the buyer (Kunterson) it didn't seem as important, and frankly I couldn't be arsed. On that basis, I won't knock anyone for at least trying, whether I agree with their policies, ideas, etc or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 27, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: absolutely nothing stops interested parties paying their money, standing for election, and changing it from within. no chance look how the election process is rigged structured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 27, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Casino said: no chance look how the election process is rigged structured If, it is as bad as you say, then the club would distance themselves from it. I have experience of being in a 'club' with improper governance, and some of its members took the board to court because of it, and won. Assets frozen etc. Again, if its that bad then surely someone feels passionately enough to challenge the committee and put evidence before the club if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 27, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2022 They only want the type of fan who attends games in pants, shirt and tie, shoes and jacket, not jeans, polo shirt and trainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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