Shrewsbury Town Away

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Thomason & Dempsey have both played more often than Lee & Sheehan this season so I wouldn't be so sure it would have made a difference. 

Sheehan been unavailable, so difficult to judge that. 

Thomason wasn't playing early doors when Lee was. They have both been involved in good results and bad.

They are different types of midfielders too, so again a bit difficult to make a judgement one way or another.

Just seems we lacked a bit of an ugly bastard type yesterday. Dempsey the nearest to that and I reckon we missed him.

 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sheehan been unavailable, so difficult to judge that. 

Thomason wasn't playing early doors when Lee was. They have both been involved in good results and bad.

They are different types of midfielders too, so again a bit difficult to make a judgement one way or another.

Just seems we lacked a bit of an ugly bastard type yesterday. Dempsey the nearest to that and I reckon we missed him.

 

The point I was trying to make was that no matter which combination played it hardly guaranteed a better result. 

[marple whites]

Taking dapo and Charles off changed it.  We lost our attacking threat and started to go long which didn’t work.

they sent 2 big lads on and scored from 2 set pieces, but our defending from them was woeful.

crap start again, but given that from 45-75 we were totally dominant, to lose is unthinkable.

good teams don’t lose that game.

[waffer cup 07]

8 minutes ago, marple whites said:

Taking dapo and Charles off changed it.  We lost our attacking threat and started to go long which didn’t work.

they sent 2 big lads on and scored from 2 set pieces, but our defending from them was woeful.

crap start again, but given that from 45-75 we were totally dominant, to lose is unthinkable.

good teams don’t lose that game.

Agree good summing up.

Edited December 11, 2022 by waffer cup 07

[Lostock Whites]

Can analyse it to death. But I think most of us can agree that we have not been in form for a while.

We have really struggled against teams we are expecting to beat and haven't won a game comfortably for a while.

Still 5th yes, but we can be so much better. Which I guess can be seen a positive thing I hindsight.

Edited December 11, 2022 by Lostock Whites

[MickyD]

Fortunately, whilst the top two seem to be putting some distance between themselves and the playoffs but those in positions 3-6 are all sticking together 

Problem is, taking Shrewsbury as an example, a massive 6 point gap before the game is now just the 3 and next weekend could be 0.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, MickyD said:

Fortunately, whilst the top two seem to be putting some distance between themselves and the playoffs but those in positions 3-6 are all sticking together 

Problem is, taking Shrewsbury as an example, a massive 6 point gap before the game is now just the 3 and next weekend could be 0.

Or 6 points. 👍

[Traf]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Or 6 points. 👍

That's the spirit.

The size of the gap doesn't worry me as long as there is one, it's all about league positions. Remember last season when we tried to rally into the play-offs? We got closer and closer on points, but never moved up the league.

[passmosster]

Even if we got in the playoffs, we would be rolled by a physical team.

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, passmosster said:

Even if we got in the playoffs, we would be rolled by a physical team.

Depends on who we sign in January.

[Casino]

And taking our chances

I suspect shrewsbury is as physical as it gets and we should have won the game

[fester58]

On 11/12/2022 at 09:57, Big E said:

Something isn’t right. Not sure what it is. 
 

January is massive. I think some people will be sad when players leave but we need to change things. 
 

totally agree, too many team changes every week, not leading to a settled side?  for me part of the problem is our midfield we play 5 at the back and a holding midfielder 6 we have effectively 6 at the back, we need amidfield 3 not a holding or a false 10, 3 box to box. dempsey,sheehan,lee

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, fester58 said:

totally agree, too many team changes every week, not leading to a settled side?  for me part of the problem is our midfield we play 5 at the back and a holding midfielder 6 we have effectively 6 at the back, we need amidfield 3 not a holding or a false 10, 3 box to box. dempsey,sheehan,lee

2 of the back 5 are wing backs, can’t class that as a 6 at the back. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Mounts Kipper

[woolli]

Interesting quotes yesterday from Steve Cotterill ,and today from Evatt. Cotterill quoted we have a budget much higher than theirs, Evatt saying this morning Shrewsbury have a bigger budget than ours. Someones telling porkies?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

How would either know exactly?

[Eddie]

Surely there’s no way that Shrewsbury have a bigger budget than us. I know that it’s not as simple as this (cost base etc.) but ticket revenue is huge in this division and they had about enough to fill a couple of people carriers there on Saturday. They might have some wealthy owner that’s chucking money in that I don’t know about, but all things equal I just can’t see that Shrewsbury are paying more than us.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Lower costs all round- smaller ground, policing stewarding. Maybe this has a bigger impact than we realise. 

[BOWTUN BAKED]

Budget counts for 3 parts of fook all over 90 minutes

Over a season is different 

Managers should stop harping on about budgets & concentrate getting the best out of the players they've got & play them to their strengths to build a strong team.

[Leyther_Matt]

Funny how so many managers start talking about budgets a fortnight before the transfer window opens 

[Johnnyrotten]

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

How would either know exactly?

I think clubs have to submit and adhere to budgets, they are supposed to be "transparent" for financial fair play purposes which includes stating salaries and transfer fees.  Presumably clubs can see what others are spending.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

21 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I think clubs have to submit and adhere to budgets, they are supposed to be "transparent" for financial fair play purposes which includes stating salaries and transfer fees.  Presumably clubs can see what others are spending.

I very much doubt clubs will be able to see the budgets of others. Even if some information has to be submitted, surely that would be confidential between the club and the fa/leagues.

 

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I very much doubt clubs will be able to see the budgets of others. Even if some information has to be submitted, surely that would be confidential between the club and the fa/leagues.

 

Maybe, I'm not sure what the issue would be though, if its all above board.  Not down to how much an individual is on, but that the wage bill is no more than the max 60% of turnover.   It'd be no surprise that Derby and Sheff Wed are paying about 5 times what Accy and Fleetwood are paying for eg.  Even if the data isn't formally shared, I imagine word gets out.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Johnnyrotten