Politics

[mickbrown]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You are starting to get as hysterical as the ginger pie eater.

I would be happy for Boris to tell them to shove it and go WTO. The only joy in any sort of deal I can see is shutting up the screechers who have been painting the no deal scenario as the end of the world for years now (but I do note many of them on here have recently changed their tone to "Well of course everyone knows there will be a deal of come sort.......").

I would certainly not say any deal agreed 'will be better than what we already had'. It won't be in many ways. We will however be free of Eurocrat control and far removed from the proposed Federal Republic of Europia and, for me, that far outweighs any temporary teething problems on the way to far bigger and better trade deals with the ROW than we could ever have with the EU (or within it).

There will be a deal. The EU will play their usual brinksmanship game and our side appear to be standing firm and waiting for Van Der Liars mob to blink first. Good on 'em. Vote Boris.

You've lived on the other side of the world for over 30 years.

Your opinion counts for fuck all

Edited December 10, 2020 by mickbrown

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

You've lived on the other side of the world for over 30 years.

You're opinion cunts for fuck all.

Headhunted.

Even though he tells us the UK is best, he had to go 12,000 miles for the best deal.

apart from music, football and iron ore, blokes puddled.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Will there not be similar suffering on the EU side?

Not a loaded question btw, just interested to know what they stand to lose with WTO

There will be suffering both sides, but of course it’s our fault that the EU won’t compromise, purely & simply they have to be seen to punish the U.K. in order to keep the other countries who are leaning towards leaving in line.

 

 The iron curtain supposedly came crashing down years ago but in reality we are now seeing the new iron curtain being carefully crafted by the EU.

I think there will be a deal, but my stance is becoming more hardline, we must now remove any potential for interference/ rules/ governance from the EU. It is clear to me that we must take complete control back, if that means WTO then so be it. 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There will be suffering both sides, but of course it’s our fault that the EU won’t compromise, purely & simply they have to be seen to punish the U.K. in order to keep the other countries who are leaning towards leaving in line.

 

 The iron curtain supposedly came crashing down years ago but in reality we are now seeing the new iron curtain being carefully crafted by the EU.

I think there will be a deal, but my stance is becoming more hardline, we must now remove any potential for interference/ rules from the EU. It is clear to me that we must take complete control back, if that means WTO then so be it. 

Changing your opinion isn’t allowed on here cocker.

So you need to delete all that.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Will there not be similar suffering on the EU side?

Not a loaded question btw, just interested to know what they stand to lose with WTO

Who was ginge's response addressed to? I have him on ignore since he decided that the higher moral ground can be gained by talking about shitting in peoples mouths and 'fucking your missus' so he can't have been addressing it to me?

"Normal working class folk you fucking hate"? I have no idea who that could possibly refer to on WWays? The artsy fartsy Southerner?

[Sweep]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

There will be a deal. The EU will play their usual brinksmanship game and our side appear to be standing firm and waiting for Van Der Liars mob to blink first. Good on 'em. Vote Boris.

In fairness, I bet the EU side is saying pretty much the same thing, and they're holding firm and waiting for Boris to blink.......it'll be interesting to see who does actually "blink" we really have to hope that it's the other side because it'll be shit if Boris does

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There will be suffering both sides, but of course it’s our fault that the EU won’t compromise, purely & simply they have to be seen to punish the U.K. in order to keep the other countries who are leaning towards leaving in line.

 

 The iron curtain supposedly came crashing down years ago but in reality we are now seeing the new iron curtain being carefully crafted by the EU.

I think there will be a deal, but my stance is becoming more hardline, we must now remove any potential for interference/ rules/ governance from the EU. It is clear to me that we must take complete control back, if that means WTO then so be it. 

As I've mentioned above, the other side I'm sure are saying the same thing, and probably wondering why the UK won't compromise, in return for full unfettered access

Like most in the UK, I hope that we get a deal signed, obviously not at all costs, but we really need to get something agreed. Going WTO would be unpleasant for both sides, it really would, and you would like to think that neither side wants that.

I noted that Farage was on Peston last night, and he's, no surprise, saying we have to go WTO. I thought it was weird to see the way he speaks now though, previously whilst I've always thought he's a cunt, he carried a bit of gravitas about him, and made some reasoned arguments, now he just sounds like a daft posh bloke shouting at everything and everyone that he doesn't like. He wouldn't confirm that Trump should go gracefully, and said that anywhere there is large scale postal voting, there is fraud, but then wouldn't be further drawn on it. He also confirmed that he did bet $10K on Trump to win the election (which we all know he didn't) 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Sweep

[Rudy]

Is a Russian mail order bride going to be cheaper or more expensive when we leave?

Maybe @Youri McAnespie can do me a predicted comparison on prices of mail order women from around the world before and after Jan 1st

[Ani]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Will there not be similar suffering on the EU side?

Not a loaded question btw, just interested to know what they stand to lose with WTO

The difference I think is that we have very limited choice when it comes to alternative markets in the short/medium term. 
So let’s say we import strawberries from Spain. These are now 10% more expensive. (10% just a % used as an example not sure what WTO terms are). Unless we have an immediate deal with another strawberry producing nation or unused internal capacity they go up in price. 
At the same time we export raspberries to the EU these are now 10% more expensive. So by the same logic as above they go up in price. However as they can immediately be replaced by any other EU member there is significantly more chance that the shortfall can be filled by another country, maybe a bit more expensive but less likely to be the full 10% as there are more options to fill the gap. 
 

Both sides face extra checks and red tape to import or export which adds to the cost for everyone. So both sides end up spending money on monitoring goods in and out, charging and accounting for any tariffs. 
 

So you are right that it impacts on ‘them’ as well but in all likelihood more on ‘us’. 
 

The EU have to play hardball here, imagine they give us a great deal. Lots of Brexiteers on here have posted how the EU is failing , so if that is true and it turns out you get all the benefits anyway , it would collapse. 

[Sweep]

5 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Is a Russian mail order bride going to be cheaper or more expensive when we leave?

Maybe @Youri McAnespie can do me a predicted comparison on prices of mail order women from around the world before and after Jan 1st

I can get a couple shoved in with those young Philippino Boys that you ordered the other week if you want, just let me know what sort of size/shape/hair colour you want, and I'll get it sorted for you. Obviously the fact that they're coming in with a load of electronics in a sealed container, by sea, might mean that we have a bit of natural wastage, but I'll make sure that I get some extra butties put in to keep them going, especially as we might get a backlog at the ports

[Rudy]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I can get a couple shoved in with those young Philippino Boys that you ordered the other week if you want, just let me know what sort of size/shape/hair colour you want, and I'll get it sorted for you. Obviously the fact that they're coming in with a load of electronics in a sealed container, by sea, might mean that we have a bit of natural wastage, but I'll make sure that I get some extra butties put in to keep them going, especially as we might get a backlog at the ports

Collateral damage it happens in this game pal. Cheers 

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There will be suffering both sides, but of course it’s our fault that the EU won’t compromise, purely & simply they have to be seen to punish the U.K. in order to keep the other countries who are leaning towards leaving in line.

 

 The iron curtain supposedly came crashing down years ago but in reality we are now seeing the new iron curtain being carefully crafted by the EU.

I think there will be a deal, but my stance is becoming more hardline, we must now remove any potential for interference/ rules/ governance from the EU. It is clear to me that we must take complete control back, if that means WTO then so be it. 

But that is not what you have been saying for last 2 years. When asked why the EU would give us great terms for the reasons you now outline you dismissed those thoughts as project fear. 
Do you agree that if we have to adopt WTO terms this will have an impact on the costs of both imports and exports and a negative impact in the short and medium term on the economy ? We will disagree about the longer term impact but the medium/short term is pretty clear I think. Even JRM said it could be 40 years till we really know. 
 

It is very clear that with 3 weeks to go we are not ready to just crash out. 

[Mounts Kipper]

16 minutes ago, Ani said:

But that is not what you have been saying for last 2 years. When asked why the EU would give us great terms for the reasons you now outline you dismissed those thoughts as project fear. 
Do you agree that if we have to adopt WTO terms this will have an impact on the costs of both imports and exports and a negative impact in the short and medium term on the economy ? We will disagree about the longer term impact but the medium/short term is pretty clear I think. Even JRM said it could be 40 years till we really know. 
 

It is very clear that with 3 weeks to go we are not ready to just crash out. 

I’ve still said there will be a deal, project fear lives on but in reality a no deal will give positives & negatives, it’ll be just different and something we will quickly get use to. 

[Ani]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ve still said there will be a deal, project fear lives on but in reality a no deal will give positives & negatives, it’ll be just different and something we will quickly get use to. 

I take that as a yes but you hate to admit it. 
 

Your answer sounds like a politician. Why is it project fear to ask what happens if no deal ? We all hope/think it won’t happen but it is a realistic option.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Ani

[Winchester White]

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[frank_spencer]

Remember the Tories having a pop at Comrade Corbyn for being a scruffy bugger. Then they appoint this stupid twat.

[Farrelli]

Honda have temporarily shut their plant in Swindon due to parts not getting through the ports - #Project Fear

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

In fairness, I bet the EU side is saying pretty much the same thing, and they're holding firm and waiting for Boris to blink.......it'll be interesting to see who does actually "blink" we really have to hope that it's the other side because it'll be shit if Boris does

Neither side can be seen to blink. If the two of them have any sense they will have spent yesterday discussing how they can positively spin the last minute climb down by both sides as a score draw.

If not we're doomed! 😉

[Escobarp]

35 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Honda have temporarily shut their plant in Swindon due to parts not getting through the ports - #Project Fear

Strange though isn’t it. We are experiencing no delays in getting anything through currently. 

[Escobarp]

@Sweepwill my replacement thruster for my fist master get delivered on time or am I going to need to dust the dildos out and use good old fashioned elbow grease?

[mickbrown]

 

 

[jmjhb]

Fully expecting talks to resume on Monday after the absolute final deadline on Sunday

[Spider]

I’m on Bolty’s list 😊😊😊

Thats good enough for me.

As you were.

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Honda have temporarily shut their plant in Swindon due to parts not getting through the ports - #Project Fear

That's not really a Brexit issue though, that's more of a COVID issue

[Sweep]

34 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Strange though isn’t it. We are experiencing no delays in getting anything through currently. 

We're experiencing huge delays at the docks at present, up to a week in some cases. As I've said though, Brexit is a minimal party of this issue, the main problem is COVID-19 restrictions in the ports, and seasonal volume.