Politics

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Pensioners many who are living on less than half the minimum wage need protecting  (while NHS staff get a nice pension paid by the state plus their state pension)

As casino says if pensioners are well off with private pension/ public sector pension then they shouldn’t be getting fuel allowance. 

Pensioners in the main haven’t been hit by real terms wage cuts and increasing mortgages and rents over the last few years. They don’t have the same costs and responsibilities working people have where they have been hammered time and time again.

It’s far from ideal but to do this in what needs an already established means test process. 
 

I’m sure 30p Lee can give them appropriate advice to cut their food bills to more than compensate. 

[BobyBrno]

3 months is a long time in politics.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

The level of bollocks being spouted over the last few years seems to be rising continually. 

Losing faith in the lot of them.

Obviously it's not a new phenomenon- being going on for as long as we've had a parliament- just can't take anything seriously anymore.

[little whitt]

anyone south of Brum should not get it 

its always warm down there 

anyone north of Brum 

should get it always cold in winter up north 

 

 

it should be means tested 

say anyone with over £100k in savings misses out 

 

but then the other side of the Coin

if your Filth rich and you have paid 40% MAN MAX all your life 

you would be pissed off you have paid in but not getting out back 

[Whitesince63]

Me and Mrs Whites are in our70s now and with my private pension it’s true we don’t especially need the allowance but it still pisses me off that people think a private pension just fell off a cloud. I paid for that through all my working life while others just pissed their money away and saved nothing knowing our wonderful government would keep them fed and hosed. If this allowance is age related it should be payable to all pensioners not just those on benefits and subsidies. My daughters a nurse and her pension is hugely better than mine so instead of stuffing the aged who’ve worked and saved all their life and paid into the state not taken out of it, maybe they should adjust public sector pensions to find the extra cash needed?

[Traf]

3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

They should take a look at what Martin Lewis suggests. But suspect that’s for future years probably not practical for this year as would need some background working up and research. 

It's a shame he's generally a prick.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Me and Mrs Whites are in our70s now and with my private pension it’s true we don’t especially need the allowance but it still pisses me off that people think a private pension just fell off a cloud. I paid for that through all my working life while others just pissed their money away and saved nothing knowing our wonderful government would keep them fed and hosed. If this allowance is age related it should be payable to all pensioners not just those on benefits and subsidies. My daughters a nurse and her pension is hugely better than mine so instead of stuffing the aged who’ve worked and saved all their life and paid into the state not taken out of it, maybe they should adjust public sector pensions to find the extra cash needed?

The richest generation in history though. You can’t cry that you haven’t been looked after because your living standards rose more than any generation before during your lifetimes and will be more than any generation since.

And what you want is to leave our NHS broken and people on massive real terms wage cuts abandoning it - working people unable to buy a house and families using food banks. It’s 82p a day. I get it’s not ideal but nobody has done it ideologically. Poorest pensioners still get it. 
 

Working people have lost a lot more than 82p a day over the last five years. A lot lot more. 

[Casino]

i dont believe all nurses are brilliant, theres fat lazy fuckers like any other job, but if we have a recruitment crisis then we have to adjust the conditions to solve it

same with junior docs and same with GPs

i know its one pot of money, but we cant be seeing this as doctors v pensioners and tbh, if we do, oaps are about 10-0 up after regular increases

[Casino]

56 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The level of bollocks being spouted over the last few years seems to be rising continually. 

Losing faith in the lot of them.

 

brought to us by the 'theyre all the same' club

odd you didn't say this sooner, cant believe you didnt criticise the last lot much 

i voted labour cos i wanted the wrong uns gone and so far, i'm happy with what we are seeing

 

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, Casino said:

brought to us by the 'theyre all the same' club

odd you didn't say this sooner, cant believe you didnt criticise the last lot much 

i voted labour cos i wanted the wrong uns gone and so far, i'm happy with what we are seeing

 

Indeed. The country is in a mess. We all knew it and the new government is spelling it out, quite rightly.  I’m happy now that someone sensible is at the helm to begin the recovery. 

[Traf]

If they're up in arms over £300 a year, give them a choice.

That or the triple lock, but not both.

[Ani]

The amount of people outraged over the Junior Doctor pay rise who do not know what Junior Doctors actually are is embarrassing. 
 

Even the Tories admitted the cost of employing agency staff to cover for the doctors during the strikes was more than the cost of the wage demands. Any business paying out so much money on Agency staff because their staff were leaving would be crazy not to do this. 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Even the Tories admitted the cost of employing agency staff to cover for the doctors during the strikes was more than the cost of the wage demands. 

The train strikes have already cost similar to what would have been a 25% pay rise.

Noses have been cut off to spite faces.

[Not in Crawley]

57 minutes ago, Traf said:

It's a shame he's generally a prick.

Glad it's not just me that finds him a bit annoying

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Ani said:

The amount of people outraged over the Junior Doctor pay rise who do not know what Junior Doctors actually are is embarrassing. 
 

Even the Tories admitted the cost of employing agency staff to cover for the doctors during the strikes was more than the cost of the wage demands. Any business paying out so much money on Agency staff because their staff were leaving would be crazy not to do this. 

Yeah - it’s also like people don’t realise how little we were and are paying folk who’ve already been in training 5 years….in one of the most difficult qualifications to obtain.

Then wondering why we ‘can’t get to see a doctor.

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Yeah - it’s also like people don’t realise how little we were and are paying folk who’ve already been in training 5 years….in one of the most difficult qualifications to obtain.

Then wondering why we ‘can’t get to see a doctor.

You do 5 years training as a student 

2 years as Foundation Doctor 

Then you become a Junior Doctor, you remain this untill you complete a specialism and become a Consultant. Many doctors either do not complete a specialism and maybe work in A&E for instance, but Junior Doctors can easily have 10 years experience. 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Ani said:

You do 5 years training as a student 

2 years as Foundation Doctor 

Then you become a Junior Doctor, you remain this untill you complete a specialism and become a Consultant. Many doctors either do not complete a specialism and maybe work in A&E for instance, but Junior Doctors can easily have 10 years experience. 

Yeah but FY’s are also in junior doctor pay scale aren’t they? News were all running on FY1 last year on salary of £29K…so fresh out of medical school 5 years…paid less than U.K. average.

 

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

Me and Mrs Whites are in our70s now and with my private pension it’s true we don’t especially need the allowance but it still pisses me off that people think a private pension just fell off a cloud. I paid for that through all my working life while others just pissed their money away and saved nothing knowing our wonderful government would keep them fed and hosed. If this allowance is age related it should be payable to all pensioners not just those on benefits and subsidies. My daughters a nurse and her pension is hugely better than mine so instead of stuffing the aged who’ve worked and saved all their life and paid into the state not taken out of it, maybe they should adjust public sector pensions to find the extra cash needed?

"we used to scrape ice off the inside of our windows in my day"

Just turn the heating down and remember how lucky you are to have lived in a prosperous nation that has earned you a tidy pension.

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Yeah but FY’s are also in junior doctor pay scale aren’t they? News were all running on FY1 last year on salary of £29K…so fresh out of medical school 5 years…paid less than U.K. average.

 

It is a slightly pedantic difference, but Foundation and Junior are slightly different in terms of responsibility. 
In an old job I had to go through a whole raft of documentation for the various career stages. Not sure if the FY are included in the pay rise announced, hopefully they are. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

It is a slightly pedantic difference, but Foundation and Junior are slightly different in terms of responsibility. 
In an old job I had to go through a whole raft of documentation for the various career stages. Not sure if the FY are included in the pay rise announced, hopefully they are. 

Think they are. Think it covers FY1 right up to those with ten years experience!

[wakey]

3 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

 with my private pension it’s true we don’t especially need the allowance 

Think the key bit's there.

Surely handouts should only be for them as need it.

[tomski]

27 minutes ago, wakey said:

Think the key bit's there.

Surely handouts should only be for them as need it.

Must be bad for Sincey to bring up as normally he goes about his business. Show some compassion @wakey

[Casino]

3 hours ago, Ani said:

The amount of people outraged over the Junior Doctor pay rise who do not know what Junior Doctors actually are is embarrassing. 

didnt help when that scruffy cow atkins uttered the words

 

'doctors in training, as i prefer to call them'

[Duck Egg]

The cut off for the fuel allowance makes sense and is easily adjustable.  Any more complex means testing would involve employing more folk and more systems.  Tough on them just over the threshold but that's always the case.

[Guest]

So the IFS have explained that the £22BN in year shortfall is separate to the £20BN shortfall in medium term spending they identified pre election. I’m at the point where I’m not sure how Hunt or Cleverley or any of them can dare show their faces in this country ever again.