Politics

[bolty58]

Anyone staying over in Brum after the game tonight? Good deal at somewhere about to become (in)famous - 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13984241/Britains-fraud-watchdog-probes-Unite-unions-112m-spend-hotel-conference-centre-amid-claims-missing-millions.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/21/sfo-major-investigation-under-way-into-112m-hotel-built-by-unite-union

Keep paying your dues brothers. There are people with an affluent lifestyle to maintain.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

Anyone staying over in Brum after the game tonight? Good deal at somewhere about to become (in)famous - 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13984241/Britains-fraud-watchdog-probes-Unite-unions-112m-spend-hotel-conference-centre-amid-claims-missing-millions.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/21/sfo-major-investigation-under-way-into-112m-hotel-built-by-unite-union

Keep paying your dues brothers. There are people with an affluent lifestyle to maintain.

Aye, not good.

In fairness to the new lass, she's spotted the "error" and got the authorities in.

[bolty58]

59 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye, not good.

In fairness to the new lass, she's spotted the "error" and got the authorities in.

"Error" 

[mickbrown]

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Anyone staying over in Brum after the game tonight? Good deal at somewhere about to become (in)famous - 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13984241/Britains-fraud-watchdog-probes-Unite-unions-112m-spend-hotel-conference-centre-amid-claims-missing-millions.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/21/sfo-major-investigation-under-way-into-112m-hotel-built-by-unite-union

Keep paying your dues brothers. There are people with an affluent lifestyle to maintain.

I’d be surprised, teachers and nurses aside, if anyone is in a union on here. 

[frank_spencer]

17 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

I’d be surprised, teachers and nurses aside, if anyone is in a union on here. 

The wife is in the NUJ and Equity, if I can find a Union for general gofers and dogsbodies count me in.

[Not in Crawley]

24 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

I’d be surprised, teachers and nurses aside, if anyone is in a union on here. 

Ticket Touts R Us

Motto: 'Skim off the top'

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

I’d be surprised, teachers and nurses aside, if anyone is in a union on here. 

I am, and have been since I left school. The first thing I signed up to was the Pension Scheme, the second was the Union. 2 of the best decisions I've ever made.

[Not in Crawley]

Also it foes show how far Labour have come in terms of sidelining and rooting out tge hard left of influence like McClusky.

Thanks for highlighting the change, Bolty.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Also it foes show how far Labour have come in terms of sidelining and rooting out tge hard left of influence like McClusky.

Thanks for highlighting the change, Bolty.

It foes show tgat.

[Not in Crawley]

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It foes show tgat.

Indeed just what I said 😁

Serves me right typing over a bowl of some Japanese food!

[Greg_BWFC]

50 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I am, and have been since I left school. The first thing I signed up to was the Pension Scheme, the second was the Union. 2 of the best decisions I've ever made.

Exactly the same here.

Pension one especially was a great decision.

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Exactly the same here.

Pension one especially was a great decision.

✊

It absolutely blows my mind when working people claim Union's are a bad thing. God Bless the old fella who basically forced me to sign those forms 2 and a bit decades ago. I'll pass his advice on to the next generation at every opportunity.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Cheese

[Greg_BWFC]

12 minutes ago, Cheese said:

✊

It absolutely blows my mind when working people claim Union's are a bad thing. God Bless the old fella who basically forced me to sign those forms 2 and a bit decades ago. I'll pass his advice on to the next generation at every opportunity.

Thing is you're never going to see my union reps on tv, or most reps.

It's always emotive when we see nurses etc. on strike and the union gets a bad rap. But it really is the last resort.

That's generally the perception of unions.

Never been close to walking out in 2 companies over 40 years.

Unions have generally worked pretty well with management.

Not always like that 😁

Not all union men (and women) want to make bother.

[Cheese]

Just now, Greg_BWFC said:

Thing is you're never going to see my union reps on tv, or most reps.

It's always emotive when we see nurses etc. on strike and the union gets a bad rap. But it really is the last resort.

That's generally the perception of unions.

Never been close to walking out in 2 companies over 40 years.

Unions have generally worked pretty well with management.

Not always like that 😁

Not all union men (and women) want to make bother.

I've never had to walk out either, but I'd be happy to if it came to it, because I know enough old fellas who went on strike in the 80's and 90's to know it works. Throughout my career, pay negotiations have generally leant towards what the Union want, rather than the Company. Which is how it should be.

My old man went on strike a few times and got what he wanted every time, but now he's dead against Unions. Boggles my mind. Brexit did him in.

[London Wanderer]

50 minutes ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Thing is you're never going to see my union reps on tv, or most reps.

It's always emotive when we see nurses etc. on strike and the union gets a bad rap. But it really is the last resort.

That's generally the perception of unions.

Never been close to walking out in 2 companies over 40 years.

Unions have generally worked pretty well with management.

Not always like that 😁

Not all union men (and women) want to make bother.

Spot on 

[only1swanny]

Had good and bad experiences with them in Teaching, 

Ones advice on me being refused reasonable adjustments was simply "you're best of just leaving". At the same time I've seen the teaching unions fight for better work loads for teachers and it's now starting to work out. 

People laugh saying oh long holidays and done by 3, but theres a retention crisis, and a recruitment crisis, and at least the union are actively going about it the right way to try and keep people in there. That said if they want to negotiate a pay rise like the junior doctors had, i'm all ears 😛

I don't think there was a union for Retail however we were encouraged to join the share scheme, I did buy shares in HMV, well, that worked out well didn't it.. 

[bolty58]

8 hours ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Exactly the same here.

Pension one especially was a great decision.

Not addressed at you sir but no surprise that your correspondent on this particular issue is an enthusiastic union member.

In his case, buying 'friends' innit.

Keep sending your money boys. Those Caribbean cruises and other expensive holidays for your 'leaders' cost a lot y'know.

[Duck Egg]

8 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Had good and bad experiences with them in Teaching, 

Ones advice on me being refused reasonable adjustments was simply "you're best of just leaving". At the same time I've seen the teaching unions fight for better work loads for teachers and it's now starting to work out. 

People laugh saying oh long holidays and done by 3, but theres a retention crisis, and a recruitment crisis, and at least the union are actively going about it the right way to try and keep people in there. That said if they want to negotiate a pay rise like the junior doctors had, i'm all ears 😛

I don't think there was a union for Retail however we were encouraged to join the share scheme, I did buy shares in HMV, well, that worked out well didn't it.. 

Used to be USDAW back in the day.

I was a union rep for a few years when I used to work in local government.  For something voluntary, it was a tough gig but I felt an obligation to those predecessors who fought for and won, good working conditions. 

[BobyBrno]

Been in three different unions. AEU, NATSOPA and TASS. All compulsory. The third, I was a union rep and had many meetings with senior management. When an opportunity arose for a job in management, I got it. My negotiating skills obviously impressed them😊 It’s the only thing the union did for me, I cancelled my membership the same day I got promoted as management were not compelled to be in a union. 

[Sweep]

I've never been in a union, and don't think any job I've ever had offered the "opportunity" to be in one either - I'm not sure it's done me any harm, anytime I thought my pay or work conditions were not good enough, I left and went elsewhere 

[gonzo]

Think this where the NHS is covered...

Mother in law went to the walk in centre last night after being told to by 111. They sent her straight to A&E as her temp was through the roof and infection level was 4. She was all confused and dizzy and shit.

Arrived at A&E 9pm. She's still there now.

She's been told she needs to admitted but it could be 40 hours. She's sat on a drip in a side room with 8 other people.

Hear stories like this all the time.

It's on its arse

 

[Jol_BWFC]

43 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Think this where the NHS is covered...

Mother in law went to the walk in centre last night after being told to by 111. They sent her straight to A&E as her temp was through the roof and infection level was 4. She was all confused and dizzy and shit.

Arrived at A&E 9pm. She's still there now.

She's been told she needs to admitted but it could be 40 hours. She's sat on a drip in a side room with 8 other people.

Hear stories like this all the time.

It's on its arse

 

Yet people will complain if we increase tax, national insurance, bus fares, or “only” increase pensions by 4%.

I agree something needs to be done (you’re right that it’s on its arse), but we have to accept we need to get the money from somewhere to pay for it.

Tax increases later today are the trade off for having more money to spend.

Edited October 30, 2024 by Jol_BWFC

[Sweep]

50 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

Arrived at A&E 9pm. She's still there now.

She's been told she needs to admitted but it could be 40 hours. She's sat on a drip in a side room with 8 other people.

 

 

It's just a disgrace that sort of thing happen. My Father-in-Law popped one of his hips, the ambulance took 8 hours to arrive, and then he was on a trolley in the corridor for 36 hours before he was seen.

I certainly don't blame the staff, as when they get to you, they're usually really good - there just aren't enough of them, and the entire system is just fucked.

I'm not sure even if we increased MADMAX and chucked it at the NHS, that it would make a jot of difference. I honestly think it needs a total overhaul, and maybe with sections of it actually being privatised

[Jol_BWFC]

12 minutes ago, Sweep said:

It's just a disgrace that sort of thing happen. My Father-in-Law popped one of his hips, the ambulance took 8 hours to arrive, and then he was on a trolley in the corridor for 36 hours before he was seen.

I certainly don't blame the staff, as when they get to you, they're usually really good - there just aren't enough of them, and the entire system is just fucked.

I'm not sure even if we increased MADMAX and chucked it at the NHS, that it would make a jot of difference. I honestly think it needs a total overhaul, and maybe with sections of it actually being privatised

Didn’t the Conservatives build 40 new hospitals?

[Sweep]

32 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Didn’t the Conservatives build 40 new hospitals?

wouldn't matter if they had, we'd have nobody to staff them