Politics

[Sweep]

43 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Imagine how bad it would be if we weren't in control of our borders!

[Sweep]

46 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Of course. You can see how they are slowly changing to try to reflect the views of the real influencers.

A look around Europe very quickly indicates the direction of travel. Not across the Channel for a start.

All politics now, righty of wrongly, is about immigration  - so they need to be seen to be doing something

The difficult thing is, that we do need immigration, and whilst we all acknowledge this, and are happy if it's "skilled" we have the issue of needing loads of unskilled as well, because "our own" won't do the jobs, and even if they would, there aren't enough of them

[Not in Crawley]

I've not yet read the white paper, so will wait until then but I'd say it was a very sensible speech this morning from the Prime Minister regarding this touchpaper issue.

[Spider]

57 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I've not yet read the white paper, so will wait until then but I'd say it was a very sensible speech this morning from the Prime Minister regarding this touchpaper issue.

Totally agree.

And there is no doubt the surge to Reform has pushed this higher up the agenda.

Hopefully, the migration issue can be solved by the grown ups, but Reform deserve acknowledgement for getting it sped up.

I still wouldn't want them running the country, but as a single issue party, they've certainly achieved what they wanted to.

 

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Totally agree.

And there is no doubt the surge to Reform has pushed this higher up the agenda.

Hopefully, the migration issue can be solved by the grown ups, but Reform deserve acknowledgement for getting it sped up.

I still wouldn't want them running the country, but as a single issue party, they've certainly achieved what they wanted to.

 

Bang on. I don't think even Reform members actually want to run the country.

If them banging the drum about stuff and the odd knee jerk/protest by-election win gets things moving or spoken about then it all good for me.

Basically an opposition worth its salt doing its job. 

 

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Bang on. I don't think even Reform members actually want to run the country.

If them banging the drum about stuff and the odd knee jerk/protest by-election win gets things moving or spoken about then it all good for me.

Basically an opposition worth its salt doing its job. 

 

I tend to agree....but in the same way as some of those pushing for Brexit (such as Boris Johnson) didn't really want to win, it can happen.

[kent_white]

51 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I tend to agree....but in the same way as some of those pushing for Brexit (such as Boris Johnson) didn't really want to win, it can happen.

They seem pretty well mobilised. Just have a look how many Reform UK profile pictures you see on Facebook.

I still think they will struggle come a GE - but who knows in this day and age?

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

All politics now, righty of wrongly, is about immigration  - so they need to be seen to be doing something

The difficult thing is, that we do need immigration, and whilst we all acknowledge this, and are happy if it's "skilled" we have the issue of needing loads of unskilled as well, because "our own" won't do the jobs, and even if they would, there aren't enough of them

I think he's doing more than stuff on immigration. Read back over last month about the completely 'Un-Labour' stuff they've been up to.

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I think he's doing more than stuff on immigration. Read back over last month about the completely 'Un-Labour' stuff they've been up to.

I know, it's good isn't it. I'm no fan of Labour (generally) but I like that he's not playing by those rules and "doing as he's told by the Unions" as some dicks would have you believe was going to happen

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I think he's doing more than stuff on immigration. Read back over last month about the completely 'Un-Labour' stuff they've been up to.

Badenoch saying these are things they voted against not long back.

Whether that is true or not doesn't really matter.

A start has been made-even if it is only a white paper- and they have to be given some credit for that.

Will take time to become law, and of course its the nitty gritty that counts.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Sweep said:

I know, it's good isn't it. I'm no fan of Labour (generally) but I like that he's not playing by those rules and "doing as he's told by the Unions" as some dicks would have you believe was going to happen

Unions do and always will have some sway.

This issue will have mixed views amongst the unions, but more importantly, the prime minister has witnessed the political upheaval caused by Reform.

He and his government have absolutely no option to finally listen and respond. 

[Spider]

Reports of "thousands" of immigrants massed on the french coast may well have given him a nudge as well.

What probably boils everyone's piss, mine included, is that they know these people are primed and ready, yet fail to stop them.

I assume they do stop SOME, but if they know they're all there ready to set sail, surely it isn't that hard to sort?

Could they not get one of them big wave machines like they had at the Water Place to just lift the dinghies up and plop them back on french soil?

[Traf]

6 hours ago, Cheese said:

Coincidence, mate.

[royal white]

31 minutes ago, Spider said:

Reports of "thousands" of immigrants massed on the french coast may well have given him a nudge as well.

What probably boils everyone's piss, mine included, is that they know these people are primed and ready, yet fail to stop them.

I assume they do stop SOME, but if they know they're all there ready to set sail, surely it isn't that hard to sort?

Could they not get one of them big wave machines like they had at the Water Place to just lift the dinghies up and plop them back on french soil?

If you’re France you’re wanting them gone though.

 

Imagine 1000s being lined up at Blackpool ready to fuck off to Ireland then the coastguard / Navy / Border force stopped them. The locals would be fuming. 

[Zico]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

If you’re France you’re wanting them gone though.

 

Imagine 1000s being lined up at Blackpool ready to fuck off to Ireland then the coastguard / Navy / Border force stopped them. The locals would be fuming. 

the French are probably helping the boats get going by giving them a good push out to sea

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

the French are probably helping the boats get going by giving them a good push out to sea

and quite rightly, who can blame them, we'd be doing the exact same I'm sure. I know we see film of them sometimes, puncturing the odd dinghy, but I bet they turn a blind eye to loads more

[BobyBrno]

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

Coincidence, mate.

Badly managed situation. 

No excuses for it as there is no freedom of movement.

No hiding place, and held in contempt by voters.

Government heavily defeated on the back of it.

Exactly as it should be.

Brexit made it far easier for the public to see the issues and directly hold elected members responsible. 

Now the democratic process is evolving, and the prime minister is having to rethink policy, in accordance with the wishes of the people.

Succeed and well done.

Fail and lose.

 

 

 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Suspicious fire at SKS' London home.

All sorts of investigators there.

Hopefully nothing in it, but the story is going to be prominent for a while.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Counter terror bods now leading the investigation. 

[deeane Koontz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3q5xl9wqwo

[kent_white]

31 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Counter terror bods now leading the investigation. 

God. Let's hope it wasn't 'patriots' or there will be uproar of they get put away! 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

One thing that's clear is the care worker visa system was financially unsustainable (last year, the average worker on a Health and Care worker visa brought three dependents)

We also need to wean ourselves of a reliance on cheap imported labour

And this will have played a large part in their decision making:

"Officials believe that as well as underestimating the levels of long-term immigration, government forecasts are also overstating its economic benefits

They fear from 2028 net migration will be closer to 525,000 - currently the high-end of the ONS projections - because migrants are staying for longer than previously thought"

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

27 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3q5xl9wqwo

What a disgrace

[tomski]

Why don’t they just tell the lazy unemployed to do the jobs.