Coronavirus

[RoadRunnerFan]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

Dunno mate

I do know the furloughed driver works for a similar sized entity, so its not some cowboy outfit

If you wanted somebody theyd be in the first three you would think of and theyre furloughing drivers

Fair play get them in. Somebody will probably be working on it. 

I was thinking you were on more @barryk32 style, get him in too. Top bloke did my mum's move for me recently!

[Spider]

Am I reading the numbers right from France?

1,355 dead in one day???

[Escobarp]

15 minutes ago, Casino said:

Fair enough

But

And im having a but

There is plenty unused capacity

I know that for a fact

And you know the nhs doesnt think there is capacity

Speaks volumes to me

 

 

And with a wife who is trying to get PPE for her staff saying the support they are getting is pathetic, i tend to agree

I’m not saying there isn’t unused vehicles and drivers for that matter across a whole host of logistics companies. But the companies who have these contracts and those of the supermarkets are at full tilt although that should and is easing slightly now the panic buying retards have slowed 

 

I also agree this shouldn’t be an issue getting the ppe to the various locations  should be straightforward

 

[Spider]

Grim in France: https://www.ft.com/content/58ece0fb-d297-495e-8889-da216410f2c3

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Am I reading the numbers right from France?

1,355 dead in one day???

Anomalies in the reporting mate. Still grim but nowhere near as bad as it sounds 

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, Hoppy510 said:

So the Government have now admitted that the death figures ONLY include people who were tested and died in hospital.

They do not include people who died in care homes or in their own homes, so what is the real figure and why do they not caveat figure reporting with this pertinent fact?

Comes across as massaging.

 

 

I don't think they've just admitted that to be fair, the DHSC figures have made specific reference to deaths from those 'hospitalised' for a while now.

I just don't see us testing enough dead bodies for it to be a massive number. It was 40 up to 20th March, but obviously things have escalated since.

Also I get we set our own rules, but Matt Hancock springing back to normal life and going on Question Time, when the WHO would have him locked up in isolation for another week seems a bit like tempting fate.

[Wanderlust]

10 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

I don't think they've just admitted that to be fair, the DHSC figures have made specific reference to deaths from those 'hospitalised' for a while now.

I just don't see us testing enough dead bodies for it to be a massive number. It was 40 up to 20th March, but obviously things have escalated since.

Also I get we set our own rules, but Matt Hancock springing back to normal life and going on Question Time, when the WHO would have him locked up in isolation for another week seems a bit like tempting fate.

"Admitted" probably wasn't the right word and was probably too emotive as I am very pissed off about how this has been handled seeing as they knew about since January and COBRA was supposedly putting plans for an eventuality such as this in place since 2016. It's just the unnecessary deaths that tee me off. Fully understand the need to balance the response with supporting the economy but why can't they just be honest about it instead of playing media games?

[royal white]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

Any needing a driver, I'm available.

Don’t know if you’re interested mate but a girl I know has just started at Walkden Tesco doing deliveries. They’re still taking on. She was in the same boat as many self employed workers where she found herself on the phone all day every day trying to get through to sort her claims out.

[ErnestTurnip]

8 hours ago, Casino said:

I am, and i can have a pallet anywhere in the country next day

I can have a parcel to most places in the country, next day, for 4.50

There are delivery drivers who have been furloughed

There really is NO excuse for not getting the stuff distributed

For us everything is still getting picked up as normal but we're seeing a big rise in problems from their hubs to the end user, whether that's because of a lack of final delivery drivers is hard to say at the mo.

[gonzo]

37 contractors vans at talbot gateway development in Blackpool town centre today. Two wagons unloading with a gang of 8 on each unloading plasterboards and steel. 

Butty shop got 5 people outside and 3 in. 4 people serving.

Lockdown my arse. 

[Casino]

30 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

For us everything is still getting picked up as normal but we're seeing a big rise in problems from their hubs to the end user, whether that's because of a lack of final delivery drivers is hard to say at the mo.

End users might be shutting down

It'll be a lack of PPE

on our last few days before we parked it, I know the couriers were insisting on contact numbers before they would ship

[radcliffe white]

Before my current role I was doing some work for DSV and we had wagons at distribution centres all over the country ready to be tipped or loaded 

Now in most cases this simply wasn’t happening for various of reasons and this was way before CV

driver turns up on time for his collection/delivery there’s a hold up then another before you know it he’s there for 3/4 hours which in turn impacts on driving hours next drop etc, massive knock on with financial penalties 

 

[dave2980]

12 minutes ago, gonzo said:

37 contractors vans at talbot gateway development in Blackpool town centre today. Two wagons unloading with a gang of 8 on each unloading plasterboards and steel. 

Butty shop got 5 people outside and 3 in. 4 people serving.

Lockdown my arse. 

We had a site close on us last week basically because the social distancing was none existent.

It reopened yesterday - contractors are not allowed within 2m of each other, everybody must travel in separate vehicles, you are only allowed to use your own tools, they cannot be shared with other colleagues.

Anything that needs people to be less than 2m apart is not allowed - manual handling of bulk stuff, one person holding something in place while the other secures it/welds it/glues it.

All the RAMS now need to be revised to reflect this

The job is going to take far longer than necessary to complete

[Zico]

Will be honest, got bored of washing my hands all the time

[ErnestTurnip]

Our stuff is B2C so the final leg will usually be man in a van or possibly man in a skoda estate but some of the stock reasons for parcels coming back aren't making sense and as it stands I'm reading it that they get to the hubs and then there's no-one to do the last bit. 

Re PPE I just checked with 2 of our suppliers and they aren't even taking orders for FFP2 masks or disposable gloves for the next 3 months, not because the stuff is going into government just because enough of the stuff isn't getting made. Would be nice if they are wrong and really it's all going to where it's needed.

 

[bwfcfan5]

If the stories in Europe that we refused to take part in the EU ventilator scheme despite being offered the chance are true and as a consequence we've lost the chance for 12,000 ventilators within the next few weeks is in any way true....then that's beyond a scandal. Surely to god it cannot be true? Why would any government refuse the chance to save thousands of lives?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

Thanks for the economics lesson mate.😀.  Maybe UNISON should demand double pay for nurses or everybody out?

Or maybe they shouldn't as it would be as morally reprehensible as the example above? 

Unison would ruin itself overnight.

[only1swanny]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

If the stories in Europe that we refused to take part in the EU ventilator scheme despite being offered the chance are true and as a consequence we've lost the chance for 12,000 ventilators within the next few weeks is in any way true....then that's beyond a scandal. Surely to god it cannot be true? Why would any government refuse the chance to save thousands of lives?

 "There was some communication confusion, I don't know all the details of that, but I do know having talked to senior figures in the NHS that there's nothing that participating in that scheme would have allowed us to do that we have not been able to do ourselves."

 

M Gove in a quote to i news. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, Casino said:

I am, and i can have a pallet anywhere in the country next day

I can have a parcel to most places in the country, next day, for 4.50

There are delivery drivers who have been furloughed

There really is NO excuse for not getting the stuff distributed

Reckon you need to give Hancock a ring!

All hands to the pump

[bwfcfan5]

2 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

 "There was some communication confusion, I don't know all the details of that, but I do know having talked to senior figures in the NHS that there's nothing that participating in that scheme would have allowed us to do that we have not been able to do ourselves."

 

M Gove in a quote to i news. 

Yes I know. The stories suggest we'd have had 12000 ventilators delivered within a week or so had we joined and that we went to the first meeting then declined the offer. We'll see. We certainly aren't going to add anything close to that ventilator quantity in next few weeks - so I really hope that the story is not true. Doctors are being briefed about making decisions on who can or can't have ventilator support - in effect who has to be sent home to die. Lets hope we've not done anything to limit that!

[Wanderlust]

3 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

 "There was some communication confusion, I don't know all the details of that, but I do know having talked to senior figures in the NHS that there's nothing that participating in that scheme would have allowed us to do that we have not been able to do ourselves."

 

M Gove in a quote to i news. 

First it was "we didn't get the email"..

Then, after it came out that we had attended the meetings it became " we decided not to join the scheme as it we decided the scheme wouldn't improve things"

Right.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

As has been mentioned, distancing rules making logistics that bit more difficult and long-winded.

I see one large group has had to make significant changes (can't remember the name but they were on the news) to protect the workforce.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

First it was "we didn't get the email"..

Then, after it came out that we had attended the meetings it became " we decided not to join the scheme as it we decided the scheme wouldn't improve things"

Right.

They're the ones in a position of knowledge. They're the ones who will ultimately have to account for any communication mistakes and decisions they make.

As yet, we're not short of ventilators and have other machines being evaluated that will reduce the number of ventilators required.

Need to wait and see.

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

As has been mentioned, distancing rules making logistics that bit more difficult and long-winded.

I see one large group has had to make significant changes (can't remember the name but they were on the news) to protect the workforce.

I ordered something which was posted tracked with royal mail Monday. Arrived in Milton Keynes Monday and is still there. I’ve spoken to them this morning (royal mail) and low and behold they’ve got issues with the trunking from hub to hub. Who would have thunk it!

[dave2980]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I ordered something which was posted tracked with royal mail Monday. Arrived in Milton Keynes Monday and is still there. I’ve spoken to them this morning (royal mail) and low and behold they’ve got issues with the trunking from hub to hub. Who would have thunk it!

There has been a massive increase in demand for stuff bought online but logistics hubs are having to change the way they operate in order to comply with social distancing and therefore can't process anywhere near as much stuff as normal.

I ordered something on the 23rd March before the current restrictions were put in place and I was advised that due to a) demand and b) logistics problems it could take up to 21 days to deliver it. It took them 5 days to confirm what I wanted was in stock and had been allocated to me!