Meanwhile in Israel

[Winchester White]

4 hours ago, globaldiver said:

If Hamas are faced with genocide, why have they turned down the latest ceasefire offer?

Hamas aren't faced with genocide?

[globaldiver]

53 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Hamas aren't faced with genocide?

You’ve misunderstood 

[globaldiver]

4 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

I see that BD is still banging the 'criticism of Israel=anti semitism' drum.

Linking the actions of the Israeli Government to all Jewish folk is anti semitic, saying Israeli Government actions are those of a bunch of cunts isn't anti semitic.

Am I, I don’t see that I am.

[globaldiver]

4 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

You should write to the ICJ mate

 I’m sure when they see this latest argument that they will throw the case right out and save themselves 2 years deliberating. 
 

Hamas don’t speak for all Palestinians 👍

Silly boy.

Hamas have declined the ceasefire offer, so if (unlikely) a genocide is called, then it is surely on Hamas who’ll have brought it on the Palestinians, no matter how guilty or innocent they might be.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, globaldiver said:

Silly boy.

Hamas have declined the ceasefire offer, so if (unlikely) a genocide is called, then it is surely on Hamas who’ll have brought it on the Palestinians, no matter how guilty or innocent they might be.

I'd say Hamas brought it on by their terrorist acts rather than declining a ceasefire.

That said, Hamas is clearly more interested in their own game (or Iran's) than representing the Palestinians' best interests.

Biden has said America has decided upon its response to the Jordan attack- a relatively mild tit-for-tat job, or a substantial blow and warning?

[globaldiver]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I'd say Hamas brought it on by their terrorist acts rather than declining a ceasefire.

That said, Hamas is clearly more interested in their own game (or Iran's) than representing the Palestinians' best interests.

Biden has said America has decided upon its response to the Jordan attack- a relatively mild tit-for-tat job, or a substantial blow and warning?

At least you acknowledge that 7 October happened, which seems to have been conveniently forgotten by the useful idiots.

Clearly the case, but the subsequent decline of the peace fire just repeats previous mistakes, bringing many more deaths to their hosts.

[Casino]

Ive never seen anybody fail to acknowledge it happened and same folk condemn it

I see plenty refuse to acknowledge the actions of israeli govt in the lead up to it

[Winchester White]

22 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Silly boy.

Hamas have declined the ceasefire offer, so if (unlikely) a genocide is called, then it is surely on Hamas who’ll have brought it on the Palestinians, no matter how guilty or innocent they might be.

I am fairly certain that there isn't a case of bringing upon yourself when the Hague look at genocide. Also, given that Hamas aren't a government and so do not and cannot speak for all Gazans never mind Palestinians means your point seems a bit silly.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Also, given that Hamas aren't a government and so do not and cannot speak for all Gazans never mind Palestinians means your point seems a bit silly.

Quite

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Ive never seen anybody fail to acknowledge it happened and same folk condemn it

I see plenty refuse to acknowledge the actions of israeli govt in the lead up to it

Nobody has failed to acknowledge it. He’s just making stuff up now. 
 

 “But Hamas” seems to be the argument to everything. Which makes no sense when you look at the bigger picture.

[stevieb]

Regardless of whether

 

1. reckless Palestinians on para gliders got through the most severe anti missile security dome known to man 

Or 

2. The "Israel DEFENCE league" who have the above security dome that is so specific with its arsenal yet they can't be specific in their bombing of gaza because there's too many unknown targets.. 

Or 

3. Gammons in Bolton just want one less thread on wanderersways to get involved in. 

I choose option 3.

[stevieb]

3. Anyone else is cheese or his many variants

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

I see that BD is still banging the 'criticism of Israel=anti semitism' drum.

Linking the actions of the Israeli Government to all Jewish folk is anti semitic, saying Israeli Government actions are those of a bunch of cunts isn't anti semitic.

All in response to the actions of a real bunch of cunts on the 7th October. Something you and your ilk seem to conveniently forget or at least fail to mention. Only one party is denied the right to exist here so there isn't really a choice.

Finish the job by whatever means it takes. 

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

Ive never seen anybody fail to acknowledge it happened and same folk condemn it

I see plenty refuse to acknowledge the actions of israeli govt in the lead up to it

What a surprise looking through your eyes  

[Duck Egg]

5 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

What a surprise looking through your eyes  

Well nows your chance. Latest estimates are 13000 children killed. You up for condemning that?  Surely, anyone killing kids indiscriminately are cunts, no matter what side they're on, what religion or nationality?

[frank_spencer]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

All in response to the actions of a real bunch of cunts on the 7th October. Something you and your ilk seem to conveniently forget or at least fail to mention. Only one party is denied the right to exist here so there isn't really a choice.

Finish the job by whatever means it takes. 

And the horrific actions of Hamas on 7th October were in response to the actions of the Israeli Government over many years.

Israel has the right to a proportional response to the terrorist attacks what it can't do and retain the high ground as the good guys is the blanket destruction of Palestine and it's people.

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

And the horrific actions of Hamas on 7th October were in response to the actions of the Israeli Government over many years.

Israel has the right to a proportional response to the terrorist attacks what it can't do and retain the high ground as the good guys is the blanket destruction of Palestine and it's people.

Exaggeration in the extreme. What is actually happening is the destruction of Hamas and its infrastructure. What you hysterically label 'blanket destruction' is correctly labelled collateral damage. I wonder how many of those out celebrating on the streets on October 7th a) now think it was worth it and b) still support Hamas. I suspect the answer to both will be 'many'.

There is only one party surrounded by enemies who want to see its complete destruction. There is no option but to continue to dismantle the capabilities of the savages. The hospital job in the West Bank was impressive. Classic Mossad.

[MickyD]

9 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

Israel has the right to a proportional response to the terrorist attacks

Here’s the problem; if I’m picking a fight with someone, I’m absolutely not picking the fight with Tyson Fury. He’s a lot bigger than I am and thumps a lot harder.

[fatolive]

38 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Here’s the problem; if I’m picking a fight with someone, I’m absolutely not picking the fight with Tyson Fury. He’s a lot bigger than I am and thumps a lot harder.

Bad analogy

You  would fight Tyson Fury like  fuck if he was in your house trying to chuck you out. 
 

 

 

 

[Traf]

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

What you hysterically label 'blanket destruction' is correctly labelled collateral damage.

13,000 children.

Collateral damage.

Even the most fervent supporter of Israel can't be happy at that.

[MickyD]

15 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Bad analogy

You  would fight Tyson Fury like  fuck if he was in your house trying to chuck you out. 
 

 

 

 

Ah but…

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

13,000 children.

Collateral damage.

Even the most fervent supporter of Israel can't be happy at that.

It's ok when they are Moslems 

[fatolive]

1 hour ago, MickyD said:

Ah but…

Yeh I know, he says it’s his house and you nicked it off him , you only got it because he was expelled and you killed some of his people getting the house in the first place  but if you thought it was yours you’d still fight him . 
not commenting on the rights and wrongs, just pointing out the flaw in saying you wouldn’t pick on someone bigger , because you would if you perceived you were the one who was right , no matter whether you were or not . 

[MickyD]

18 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Yeh I know, he says it’s his house and you nicked it off him , you only got it because he was expelled and you killed some of his people getting the house in the first place  but if you thought it was yours you’d still fight him . 
not commenting on the rights and wrongs, just pointing out the flaw in saying you wouldn’t pick on someone bigger , because you would if you perceived you were the one who was right , no matter whether you were or not . 

You’re making an assumption that I’d fight to the death for some material thing like my property. I would either pick my fight or I would ask the law of the land to intervene. I certainly wouldn’t nip up to Morecambe to find Fury’s family, friends and associates and murder them without warning.

[globaldiver]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

13,000 children.

Collateral damage.

Even the most fervent supporter of Israel can't be happy at that.

Nobody is happy about it.

For a second, consider the number of deaths if Israel went about this war with the same butchery approach as Hamas.

[Zico]

13 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Nobody is happy about it.

For a second, consider the number of deaths if Israel went about this war with the same butchery approach as Hamas.

I dread to think how many Palestinans would be dead if Israel had paragliders