Meanwhile In England

[gonzo]

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

It’s absolute hogswash. The fact so many seem to be prepared to give him and it an airtime is concerning and as Blair says a failure of the political class (including himself).

The danger in these times is people look for easy answers when there are none.

Equally politicians have a duty to really acknowledge and fix the community problems that immigration has created whether perceived or real it doesn’t matter. 

Exactly this.

This isn't all about Tommy Robinson. Or shouldn't be.

The fact that tens of thousands of people decided to head to London on Saturday suggests there is wave of unrest and ill-feeling. A wave that is seemingly getting bigger and that includes across Europe. Wilder, Le Pen, Italy etc. Folk have genuinely had enough.

Getting down to London and waving a flag about is the only way people can show how they feel.

You can't just ignore this and brush it off as its just a football hooligan and a mob of racist gammons. It's miles bigger than that.

Like you say it's down to politicians. Trouble is ours are too scared to even scratch the surface of it.

[radcliffe white]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Exactly this.

This isn't all about Tommy Robinson. Or shouldn't be.

The fact that tens of thousands of people decided to head to London on Saturday suggests there is wave of unrest and ill-feeling. A wave that is seemingly getting bigger and that includes across Europe. Wilder, Le Pen, Italy etc. Folk have genuinely had enough.

Getting down to London and waving a flag about is the only way people can show how they feel.

You can't just ignore this and brush it off as its just a football hooligan and a mob of racist gammons. It's miles bigger than that.

Like you say it's down to politicians. Trouble is ours are too scared to even scratch the surface of it.

The establishment want TR silenced and have done for years as he brings to light failings/blind eyes being turned in many areas

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Exactly this.

This isn't all about Tommy Robinson. Or shouldn't be.

The fact that tens of thousands of people decided to head to London on Saturday suggests there is wave of unrest and ill-feeling. A wave that is seemingly getting bigger and that includes across Europe. Wilder, Le Pen, Italy etc. Folk have genuinely had enough.

Getting down to London and waving a flag about is the only way people can show how they feel.

You can't just ignore this and brush it off as its just a football hooligan and a mob of racist gammons. It's miles bigger than that.

Like you say it's down to politicians. Trouble is ours are too scared to even scratch the surface of it.

It’s not easy. I don’t think it’s ’Islam or Muslims’ either in the same was as the real issues the German people had in the 1920’s wasn’t Jewish folk. That is more symptom than cause. People in more deprived areas are more likely to see a lot of immigrants and that clearly becomes the ‘that’s why everything is bad’. But I think it’s a bit more complex than that. 

We need big international solutions to migration. You can’t fix it as a country because the problem is becoming worse and worse globally through war, climate change and is only going to get worse. People will come here. Unless there is an international solution that won’t change.

But I also think we need to look at all these towns and cities where communities feel like they’ve just been left to rot. I think fixing that is the key but it’s going to take time. First thing we could do though is a real crackdown on anti social behaviour. One that isn’t too scared to deal with issues relating to race and religion. I think that wouldn’t cost a lot and would help some communities. 

[kent_white]

I think part of the problem is that no politician is brave enough to admit that white British people don't breed enough (people tend not to when they're relatively well off). So the country will be on its arse without significant levels of immigration in 20 or 30 years time. 

You can kiss goodbye to your pension. 

It also doesn't help that we know longer have an empire to cream a profit off. 

[Cheese]

22 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

The establishment want TR silenced and have done for years as he brings to light failings/blind eyes being turned in many areas

If only he'd stop committing crimes.

[kent_white]

25 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

The establishment want TR silenced and have done for years as he brings to light failings/blind eyes being turned in many areas

I know. You barely ever hear about him do you? 😂

[Ani]

I have said numerous times on this thread cos I am dead clever (went to Grammar School) and a visionary That extremes do not exist in a vacuum.
 

Rather than focussing on TR and Reform you have to look at the issues that drive their support, not how they exploit it. 
It was summed up by Brexit they interviewed a woman saying how thick (not sure if she said racist) people were who voted to leave were, the country was doing ok and no one have even explained what leave would look like, why change something that was working and being in the EU gave us more chance to travel,work and get educated - fairly typical Remainer views.

They then interviewed someone in a northern ex pit village. There was no investment in their area, unemployment was miles higher than average , schools were underperforming the whole area was basically falling apart. The woman interviewed here said - Of course we are voting for change, no one gives a shit about us now, everyone else is prioritised ahead of us. - The idea they would support Brexit so their cases could travel and work freely in Europe was a pipe dream.

However many years on those communities are still disenfranchised the Tories did not give a shit, Leveling up was just another slogan. To deliver real and meaningful change Labour need to affect people's lives in these communities for the better. It is a really tough job. 

[DazBob]

Free speech is what our forefathers fought for.

... unless you don't agree with what they're saying.

Edited July 29, 2024 by DazBob

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think part of the problem is that no politician is brave enough to admit that white British people don't breed enough (people tend not to when they're relatively well off). So the country will be on its arse without significant levels of immigration in 20 or 30 years time. 

You can kiss goodbye to your pension. 

It also doesn't help that we know longer have an empire to cream a profit off. 

There are lots of things that they need to be honest about. But it’s hard to be when the groups they need to reach are all (for example) climate change deniers - when climate change will be the biggest driver of migration in the next decade or two.

 

One of the things that they need to be honest about is that there is no successful route back to individual nation protectionism. Anything that makes peoples lives better will be global - they are not going to like it but it’s a simple and inescapable fact. The 50’s (which were shite anyway) aren’t coming back no matter ho many memes they share on Facebook.

 

[Zico]

34 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

The establishment want TR silenced and have done for years as he brings to light failings/blind eyes being turned in many areas

everything was fine yesterday until he screened a libelous video, otherwise, he could've enjoyed his day in the sun

he gets shut down because he's a preacher of hate

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I think part of the problem is that no politician is brave enough to admit that white British people don't breed enough (people tend not to when they're relatively well off). So the country will be on its arse without significant levels of immigration in 20 or 30 years time. 

You can kiss goodbye to your pension. 

It also doesn't help that we know longer have an empire to cream a profit off. 

I saw an interview with an expert about population change. They went through some data, and then he explained that populations can fall and remain sustainable, as long as it happens slowly.

Reasons behind the fall?

Folk can't get housing and it is expensive. Both having to work to afford a home.

We all know the reality of the situation. 

We also know the numbers arriving are unsustainable. Services, infrastructure etc cannot keep pace.

We also know that on average the earnings of those arriving, is less than the level required to effectively be a net contributor.

Thus it is not true that we need so many to keep the economy heading in the right direction. 

We need fewer, better paid migrants, contributing and raising gdp per capita not just a gross figure.

Less stress on the nation's infrastructure,  affords the things we need- one which appears to be an increasing need for extra defense spending amongst others. Where the hell that comes from is anyone's guess.

Edited July 29, 2024 by Tonge moor green jacket

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I saw an interview with an expert about population change. They went through some data, and then he explained that populations can fall and remain sustainable, as long as it happens slowly.

Reasons behind the fall?

Folk can't get housing and it is expensive. Both having to work to afford a home.

We all know the reality of the situation. 

We also know the numbers arriving are unsustainable. Services, infrastructure etc cannot keep pace.

We also know that on average the earnings of those arriving, is less than the level required to effectively be a net contributor.

Thus it is not true that we need so many to keep the economy heading in the right direction. 

We need fewer, better paid migrants, contributing and raising gdp per capita not just a gross figure.

Less stress on the nation's infrastructure,  affords the things we need- one which appears to be an increasing need for extra defense spending amongst others. Where the hell that comes from is anyone's guess.

We should form a Union of countries, so we can address this issue on a wider scale, and work together to reduce trade barriers in order to mutually benefit all of our economies.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I saw an interview with an expert about population change. They went through some data, and then he explained that populations can fall and remain sustainable, as long as it happens slowly.

Reasons behind the fall?

Folk can't get housing and it is expensive. Both having to work to afford a home.

We all know the reality of the situation. 

We also know the numbers arriving are unsustainable. Services, infrastructure etc cannot keep pace.

We also know that on average the earnings of those arriving, is less than the level required to effectively be a net contributor.

Thus it is not true that we need so many to keep the economy heading in the right direction. 

We need fewer, better paid migrants, contributing and raising gdp per capita not just a gross figure.

Less stress on the nation's infrastructure,  affords the things we need- one which appears to be an increasing need for extra defense spending amongst others. Where the hell that comes from is anyone's guess.

Immigration is essentially critical to our social care sector. The idea that we need ‘high skilled and high paid’ migrants is not really true. We need migrants in large numbers to prop up our ageing economy. This will in many cases be low paid jobs. 

[Casino]

11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Immigration is essentially critical to our social care sector. The idea that we need ‘high skilled and high paid’ migrants is not really true. We need migrants in large numbers to prop up our ageing economy. This will in many cases be low paid jobs. 

ironic, really

[Marc505]

Sounds like something horrendous has gone off in Southport.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

 

[Spider]

Just now, Marc505 said:

Sounds like something horrendous has gone off in Southport.

Kids being stabbed.

Hate this fucking species at times

[Marc505]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Kids being stabbed.

Hate this fucking species at times

A nursery apparently, fucking hell.

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, Zico said:

everything was fine yesterday until he screened a libelous video, otherwise, he could've enjoyed his day in the sun

he gets shut down because he's a preacher of hate

 

There's no doubt that TR is a massive racist, I don't think anybody disputes that. It doesn't mean that he doesn't, on occasion, make some valid points. It's just a shame he's a massive cunt, and can't help but get himself in bother, constantly. 

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, Sweep said:

There's no doubt that TR is a massive racist, I don't think anybody disputes that. It doesn't mean that he doesn't, on occasion, make some valid points. It's just a shame he's a massive cunt, and can't help but get himself in bother, constantly. 

aye, and he doesn't get shut down when he's making his valid points

although which ones are valid and which ones are hateful and / or racist often appears to be subjective

[deeane Koontz]

2 hours ago, Zico said:

everything was fine yesterday until he screened a libelous video, otherwise, he could've enjoyed his day in the sun

he gets shut down because he's a preacher of hate

 

 

Aye, knew exactly what he was doing there. And the likely outcome

Piss funny people keep falling for the  perpetual victim "I'm being silenced" bollocks. All donations and attention

He's already asking for coke spending money.... sorry donations from it 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2024 by deeane Koontz

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

 

Aye, knew exactly what he was doing there. And the likely outcome

Piss funny people keep falling for the  perpetual victim "I'm being silenced" bollocks. All donations and attention

He's already asking for coke spending money.... sorry donations from it 

 

 

 

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, radcliffe white said:

The establishment want TR silenced 

Another one jumping to conclusions before making any attempt to understand the legality of the case he was involved in.

I’m not sure anyone even knows what ‘the establishment’ is to be honest. What & who do you think it is? 
 

A lot of people disagree with him & the people he involves himself with. It’s easy for the media to discredit him because he speaks a lot of shite about needing our country back from the ‘woke elite’ & migrants. I agree with some of what he’s said about radical Islam in the UK. But there’s nothing else of substance to his ideas. 
 

The idea he’s being silenced is nonsense. He’s got plenty of platforms & is all over social media. 

He’s just another person whining about free speech & oppression when someone disagrees with him. You see it on both sides of the political system. 

[deeane Koontz]

Just now, Zico said:

 

 

It's tragic and funny at the same time 

[London Wanderer]

29 minutes ago, Sweep said:

There's no doubt that TR is a massive racist, I don't think anybody disputes that. It doesn't mean that he doesn't, on occasion, make some valid points. It's just a shame he's a massive cunt, and can't help but get himself in bother, constantly. 

Are you The Establishment?