Burton (H)

[Lostock Whites]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

My point is that EVERY team in EVERY game will misplace passes, miss tackles, lose their man etc etc

It’s about overall performances and results.

Obviousky, if a player is costing us 3 goals a game, it’s time to hook him.

But that’s not happening and folk are pretending it is

So does that mean we cannot criticise or look for areas of improvement in the squad unless a player is making fatal errors, 3 goals a game?

Yes they are footballers and not robots, but my original point is that Williams makes a couple of shocking passes every single game consistently, which usually causes bigger problems ie the opposition get a long throw into our box. Myself and many others wouldn't have noticed unless he had been doing so.

I feel extremely positive about the club at the minute and the lads are doing fantastic. But fans shouldn't have to feel like they can only be positive when we win and can only be negative when we lose.

Areas to improve should always be encouraged, Evatt is the biggest advocate for that, and my original point is that in my own opinion, I'd be surprised if he wasn't looking at a better LWB to fit his system, based off what I have been seeing each week this season, and also our lack of depth in that area. 

Although who knows, I could be completely wrong, and he might think that Williams is one of our best players and is our potential LWB for the Championship.

 

Edited January 1, 2024 by Lostock Whites

[Casino]

5 minutes ago, Lostock Whites said:

So does that mean we cannot criticise or look for areas of improvement in the squad unless a player is making fatal errors, 3 goals a game?

Yes they are footballers and not robots, but my original point is that Williams makes a couple of shocking passes every single game consistently, which usually causes bigger problems ie the opposition get a long throw into our box. Myself and many others wouldn't have noticed unless he had been doing so.

I feel extremely positive about the club at the minute and the lads are doing fantastic. But fans shouldn't have to feel like they can only be positive when we win and can only be negative when we lose. 

 

I dont think I have never seen you have a good word for Morley

Last week Evatt, who i think knows a lot more about what he wants than me and you, tied the shockingly bad player down for 3 more years

So, either Evatt knows fuck all or maybe, just maybe, youre wrong

Or Morley nicked your bird

[Lostock Whites]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

I dont think I have never seen you have a good word for Morley

Last week Evatt, who i think knows a lot more about what he wants than me and you, tied the shockingly bad player down for 3 more years

So, either Evatt knows fuck all or maybe, just maybe, youre wrong

Or Morley nicked your bird

Unreal banter, although I don't think I'm worried about that at all 😂

What is it that I'm so wrong about mate? Although I never said I'm so right, it's just an opinion. 

I said before Morley can score a free kick and ping a pass but both are quite rare in a 90 minute match. And that our other midfielders play more pivotal roles and bring more to the midfield than I see Morley do?

Yet I don't disagree with Evatt about giving Morley a contract extension, it's not rocket science, Morley obviously has some ability, is young and Evatt probably thinks he can work with him and make him into a proper player.

But just cause right now we're winning does that mean I have to be all happy clappy and im not entitled to criticise players in the starting XI?

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, Lostock Whites said:

So does that mean we cannot criticise or look for areas of improvement in the squad unless a player is making fatal errors, 3 goals a game?

Yes they are footballers and not robots, but my original point is that Williams makes a couple of shocking passes every single game consistently, which usually causes bigger problems ie the opposition get a long throw into our box. Myself and many others wouldn't have noticed unless he had been doing so.

I feel extremely positive about the club at the minute and the lads are doing fantastic. But fans shouldn't have to feel like they can only be positive when we win and can only be negative when we lose.

Areas to improve should always be encouraged, Evatt is the biggest advocate for that, and my original point is that in my own opinion, I'd be surprised if he wasn't looking at a better LWB to fit his system, based off what I have been seeing each week this season, and also our lack of depth in that area. 

Although who knows, I could be completely wrong, and he might think that Williams is one of our best players and is our potential LWB for the Championship.

 

They are League One players so are not perfect, but in the last three games we have conceded 1 shot on target in each game and won all three without conceding. 

We recently had a blip in form but are now back at the top of the form league, just find it strange that people want to pick holes in individual players after a brilliant Xmas. We have only beaten teams we should be expecting to beat, but we all know these are games especially away games that it is easy to drop a couple of points. 

Morley first half of last season was brilliant but I agree his form has dropped but we need to rotate players, Dempsey gradually back to his best , Sheehan got a day off today (virtually). Evatt has said against different opposition we need different attributes in midfield how good is that we have options ? 
 

One question I would have from today is that if Forester is more naturally two footed than Toal why not play Toal on the right of the three ? But can get IE stuck with what has been working p
 

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Ani said:

One question I would have from today is that if Forester is more naturally two footed than Toal why not play Toal on the right of the three ? But can get IE stuck with what has been working p

 

Its a question I posed and I would like to get Toal on the right

But moving him today wouldve meant a rebuild on both sides

Maybe he wanted to stick with something that works at least on one side

Dunno when he switches it if its not in an 'easy' game like today though

Maybe Sunday?

[bolty58]

Great 3 points against an anti-football shower of shit.

Onwards and upwards.

[desperado]

Made me smile on many levels 😊

[Mantra]

Agree with Lostock that Morley looked like a luxury player today, he had a couple of long shots and looked to spray a few passes around but otherwise doesn't look as busy as the other midfielders. Especially if you compare him to Sheehan in the same deep playmaker role. 

Sheehan without the ball, runs into space energetically. On the ball, he pivots and turns constantly and uses his low centre of gravity before picking a pass

Morley isn't as graceful as Sheehan, nor as energetic as Paris, Thomason or Dempsey. Can maybe point to his lack of games this season as part of the reason. But Evatt's given him a new contract so he must have shown enough to warrant protecting him as an 'asset'.

He wouldn't make my midfield three at the moment, but Evatt will be aware of the need to give him gametime to keep him sharp and fit and also rest the other midfielders.

[Mantra]

Randell, I'm fine with. Don't think he plays much worse than anyone else. Never really had an outstanding game where he's been man of the match though either.

Problem with 3 at the back is you're using fullbacks instead of wingers for your wide attacks so they're not as creative and exciting but they are more solid.

Also they're 'alone', in the sense that in a back four, the full back and winger can link up. Wingbacks don't have anyone in their channel to link up with so they're a bit isolated and can really only pass inside to the central midfielder, or try and get a cross in. Linking up with a marauding centreback is the alternative but much less frequent.

 

Edited January 2, 2024 by Mantra

[Wanderlust]

There's some passion on this forum which does spill over the line a bit at times, but it can't be helped when our club is on the up after the pile of shite we had to endure for years and now every game is life and death - to us at least.

I think criticism of players is OK providing that it is taken in the context that one under par performance isn't the be all and end all. Morley for example was the hero not long ago and one of the few players that we might expect not to be shot shy from distance. I just got my weekly dose of the EFL highlights show and goals were pinging in from all over (Argyle/Watford game was brilliant for great goals BTW) and I can't remember the last time we scored a proper top bins screamer, but it doesn't matter a monkeys when we're 2 points behind the leaders with a game in hand. That said I agree Morley hasn't been at his best recently and maybe he's not in his best role but there is a player in there somewhere and hopefully he'll come good when we need him.

I also have some sympathy for W69's overstated view that we could be more ruthless in front of goal but...we're 2 points behind the leaders with a game in hand.

So when I was stressing about how much money our rivals might throw at January transfers the other week and thinking how we could strengthen I came up blank and settled on WBs given our strength in other areas - but whether it's for financial reasons or because we'd need several players if we get promoted or because we aren't going to gamble or whatever, the club have said we're going with what we've got unless silly money comes in for e.g. George, Dion or Rico so it's not even an issue. We all want to improve the team but it doesn't look like we're getting new players so we have to hope the ones we have are good enough.

More clinical strikers, better WBs, upgrades on this or that player, changes in the system, shooting more often blah blah blah...all interesting opinions but the only real issue is whether or not the squad that we're apparently sticking with can maintain the winning streak against lower clubs and prove that Pompey was just a blip and we can handle it when we come up against our promotion rivals. That's all that really matters.

We're 2 points behind the leaders with a game in hand BTW...

 

 

[gonzo]

3 hours ago, victor meldrew said:

Why is it that certain people on here think they are a professional pundit.

today we created loads of chances and missed them= not good enough 

Shall we all just agree with what you say then?

[jeep]

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Shall we all just agree with what you say then?

We'd all be miserable clueless cunts if we did.....

 

[Farrelli]

7 hours ago, desperado said:

Made me smile on many levels 😊

😅

[tomski]

It is great looking at that table at the mo. Cup games might come at an nice time here. Big believer in winning teams not getting tired etc.

Edited January 2, 2024 by tomski

[Whitesince63]

14 hours ago, Spider said:

The minute - nay, the second - we lose a game, you’ll be on here chirruping gleefully that “you saw it coming” and you’ve been “saying it all season” etc etc

You might be better of down at the Etihad where a team that cost £1.8billion scores ten goals a game.

Idiot, typical stupid response. Does everyone just have to agree with you on here or do you just not have the intellect to discuss topics sensibly?

[Whitesince63]

13 hours ago, MickyD said:

So is mine. You’re a tit, FACT!

🤣

[Casino]

8 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Idiot, typical stupid response. Does everyone just have to agree with you on here or do you just not have the intellect to discuss topics sensibly?

Sensibly?

We have got loons writing off half of our team, folk calling for players to be subbed after 5 minutes and you want sensible

Id say theres a fair old number of moonmen

Then, theres some of us who dont claim to be tactical gurus, who just see us winning most weeks, having a game in hand to go top, clean sheet after clean sheet, goals ga fucking lore asking wtf do the cranks actually require to just shut the fuck up and enjoy it

[captainmed]

FFS we’ve just won 4 consecutive games in 10 days and 3 of them without conceding. 

I don’t think I’ve ever known that @ Xmas.

We are doing fantastically well & posters are taking pot shots.

What the fuck do you people expect? 
 

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Idiot, typical stupid response. Does everyone just have to agree with you on here or do you just not have the intellect to discuss topics sensibly?

Just bookmark my post.

We will lose at some point (hopefully not for a long time), and you will say you saw it coming.

anyone reading your posts in isolation would never know we were second with a game in hand that could put us top of the pile.

Picking holes in performances is easy. As I say, liverpool players were spraying passes out of play last night but still won (I use those cunts as they just happened to be on telly at the time).

If you were a liverpool fan, you’d have picked up on the negatives. It’s just the kind of person you are I suppose. 

[Whitesince63]

11 hours ago, Cheese said:

LOL

Wasting your time trying to have a sensible dialogue with that one Eddie. There are a few on here like him who also can’t discuss just like to make stupid remarks instead.

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Wasting your time trying to have a sensible dialogue with that one Eddie. There are a few on here like him who also can’t discuss just like to make stupid remarks instead.

In the space of ten minutes on this thread, you moaned about Vic, you moaned about Bod, you moaned that we didn’t score and needed an OG to win the game, you moaned that we are useless around the box (even though we’re the TOP SCORERS IN THE FUCKING COUNTRY) and you moaned about Williams.

all you do is fucking moan. 

[Gonk]

@Spider Please stop quoting the idiot - he's on ignore for a reason

[Whitesince63]

11 hours ago, TroySwoosh said:

Found whitesince63s passport photo

 

I’m not that good looking 😁

[Whitesince63]

10 hours ago, Lostock Whites said:

So does that mean we cannot criticise or look for areas of improvement in the squad unless a player is making fatal errors, 3 goals a game?

Yes they are footballers and not robots, but my original point is that Williams makes a couple of shocking passes every single game consistently, which usually causes bigger problems ie the opposition get a long throw into our box. Myself and many others wouldn't have noticed unless he had been doing so.

I feel extremely positive about the club at the minute and the lads are doing fantastic. But fans shouldn't have to feel like they can only be positive when we win and can only be negative when we lose.

Areas to improve should always be encouraged, Evatt is the biggest advocate for that, and my original point is that in my own opinion, I'd be surprised if he wasn't looking at a better LWB to fit his system, based off what I have been seeing each week this season, and also our lack of depth in that area. 

Although who knows, I could be completely wrong, and he might think that Williams is one of our best players and is our potential LWB for the Championship.

 

Excellent post Lostock and critiquing players or performances isn’t being negative just presenting an opinion. We won yesterday so that’s objective achieved but goal difference can be worth a point at the end of the season so missing big opportunities like yesterday could be costly?

[Whitesince63]

32 minutes ago, Casino said:

Sensibly?

We have got loons writing off half of our team, folk calling for players to be subbed after 5 minutes and you want sensible

Id say theres a fair old number of moonmen

Then, theres some of us who dont claim to be tactical gurus, who just see us winning most weeks, having a game in hand to go top, clean sheet after clean sheet, goals ga fucking lore asking wtf do the cranks actually require to just shut the fuck up and enjoy it

We’re all enjoying it, of course we are but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a bit of a moan about certain things occasionally. That’s what’s great about football and especially being a Wanderers fan but it’s a bit sad when some have to resort to insults and silly comments, that’s all I’m saying. 😉