Popular Post London Wanderer Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Sadly, our coward wouldn't help, History will not look favourably on our PM. He may be lots of things, but calling him a ‘coward & pandering to wets’ is just nonsense. But no surprise really coming from a fella who calls folk racist & Muslim shaggers if he doesn’t agree with them. Many leaders , past & present, would er on the side of caution. Especially given Trump’s madness. Nothing wrong with waiting & not joining in. Certainly not cowardly to protect British troops & their families. Quote
Popular Post Ani Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Cheese said: So you want our PM to send British troops into a potentially illegal war, just because Donald Trump says so? Jesus wept. Folk still moaning about Tony Blair taking us into an illegal war 23 years ago now want KS to pile in. Quote
Sweep Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: British citizens illegally held by a tyrannical regime. Why not, when there is the biggest military build up in the region, meaning the place is about to go to ratshit. Stupid to go in the first place of course, but doesn't justify their incarceration. Wouldn't expect our PM to give a fuck like. He'd rather ignore reality, and pander to the wets. They were told not to go there, they did. And you want our soldiers to risk their lives to rescue them. Tough shit. Quote
Popular Post gonzo Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 23 minutes ago, Ani said: Folk still moaning about Tony Blair taking us into an illegal war 23 years ago now want KS to pile in. Haha was thinking exactly the same. Nobody gave a fuck after 9/11 and wanted us to go fist and boot on the fuckers. Only years later it became a stick to beat Tony Blair with. Only a few years after the same folk championed Margaret Thatcher for leading us in to war over an island full of puffins and sinking a ship. The way our economy is right now and the way things are over here the last thing we need on earth is to be bowling into another costly war that the US can sort off its own bat. Good on em like. Get stuck in, but let's us just hold the coats. Quote
Dimron Posted March 2 Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, Sweep said: They were told not to go there, they did. And you want our soldiers to risk their lives to rescue them. Tough shit. I think you might find the UK are deploying assets to help our citizens but not making a big shout about it... its what we do Quote
Cheese Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dimron said: I think you might find the UK are deploying assets to help our citizens but not making a big shout about it... its what we do It's what we should do. Some call it "cowardice" and would prefer us to kowtow to the POTUS and commit personnel to an attacking force, and all the consequences that brings. I suspect those people wouldn't have been as enthusiastic if this had happened under the orders of Joe Biden or Barack Obama. Edited March 2 by Cheese Quote
Spider Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Standing up to a bully isn’t cowardice. He’s putting Britain first. Im sure we’ll get involved if we need to, but for now let Trump and Israel enjoy themselves. Quote
Spider Posted March 2 Posted March 2 All this “America came to our aid in the war” shit doesn’t wash. They sat with their thumbs up their arse for 3 years and watched a million die before wading in. Starmer won’t be trumps bitch, and has him in his pocket. Quote
Ani Posted March 2 Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: It's what we should do. Some call it "cowardice" and would prefer us to kowtow to the POTUS and commit personnel to an attacking force, and all the consequences that brings. I suspect those people wouldn't have been as enthusiastic if this had happened under the orders of Joe Biden or Barack Obama. Who do you mean ? This must be fake ! Quote
Sweep Posted March 2 Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, Spider said: Standing up to a bully isn’t cowardice. He’s putting Britain first. Im sure we’ll get involved if we need to, but for now let Trump and Israel enjoy themselves. Absolutely, I don't know why the clamour for us to be involved Quote
Cheese Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Ani said: Who do you mean ? This must be fake ! What a shock. Quote
kent_white Posted March 2 Posted March 2 30 minutes ago, gonzo said: Haha was thinking exactly the same. Nobody gave a fuck after 9/11 and wanted us to go fist and boot on the fuckers. Only years later it became a stick to beat Tony Blair with. Only a few years after the same folk championed Margaret Thatcher for leading us in to war over an island full of puffins and sinking a ship. The way our economy is right now and the way things are over here the last thing we need on earth is to be bowling into another costly war that the US can sort off its own bat. Good on em like. Get stuck in, but let's us just hold the coats. They'll be blaming the Government in a couple of months when inflation shoots up too. Apart from Pete Hesgeth, Nehenyahu and the Don saying so. Have we actually got any evidence that Iran were close to developing anywhere. Because sure as shit they'll be accelerating whatever programme they did or didn't have right now. Quote
Marc505 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 I dont usually worry about these things, but this one has got me pretty concerned. I've no doubt whatsoever the people doing the fighting are supremely competent (bar a Kuwaiti Patriot missile team), it's the people doing the strategising I'm worried about. I've a bad feeling they just really get off on being able to command people to blow shit up. Quote
Dimron Posted March 2 Posted March 2 15 minutes ago, Cheese said: It's what we should do. Some call it "cowardice" and would prefer us to kowtow to the POTUS and commit personnel to an attacking force, and all the consequences that brings. I suspect those people wouldn't have been as enthusiastic if this had happened under the orders of Joe Biden or Barack Obama. All I know is I'm on a walking trip tomorrow and a number of the boys have baled out... they've done it before, disappear and reappear a month later looking all tanned and Ally... they never admit to anything Quote
Popular Post Sweep Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 (edited) 12 minutes ago, kent_white said: They'll be blaming the Government in a couple of months when inflation shoots up too. Apart from Pete Hesgeth, Nehenyahu and the Don saying so. Have we actually got any evidence that Iran were close to developing anywhere. Because sure as shit they'll be accelerating whatever programme they did or didn't have right now. I know we were told not too long ago that their nuclear program had been totally obliterated, and they'd been set back decades. Unless that wasn't true of course... Edited March 2 by Sweep Quote
Winchester White Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Marc505 said: I dont usually worry about these things, but this one has got me pretty concerned. I've no doubt whatsoever the people doing the fighting are supremely competent (bar a Kuwaiti Patriot missile team), it's the people doing the strategising I'm worried about. I've a bad feeling they just really get off on being able to command people to blow shit up. I have read that Israel went for it on their own and effectively took the US along with them due to circumstance. No idea if that is true though. Getting rid of the evil head shed is obviously good but if there's no coherent plan then maybe not so much. Plus it would seem contingency plans within Iran are for lower officers to fire at will which makes it more difficult to contain. Fingers crossed those F22's locate plenty more fire locations and the rest can clear them up sharpish. Quote
Dimron Posted March 2 Posted March 2 8 minutes ago, Marc505 said: I dont usually worry about these things, but this one has got me pretty concerned. I've no doubt whatsoever the people doing the fighting are supremely competent (bar a Kuwaiti Patriot missile team), it's the people doing the strategising I'm worried about. I've a bad feeling they just really get off on being able to command people to blow shit up. No war has been won using air power alone Quote
Marc505 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Just now, Sweep said: I know we were told not to long ago that their nuclear program had been totally obliterated, and they'd been set back decades. Unless that wasn't true of course... I want someone to put that question directly to Trump, or that lunatic Hesgeth. Secretary of War, my word. Quote
Cheese Posted March 2 Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, Dimron said: All I know is I'm on a walking trip tomorrow and a number of the boys have baled out... they've done it before, disappear and reappear a month later looking all tanned and Ally... they never admit to anything Yes, I'm sure the fellas you go walking with are all elite Marines who only ever get called up for a 1 month A-Team style job. Quote
boltonboris Posted March 2 Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, Marc505 said: I dont usually worry about these things, but this one has got me pretty concerned. I've no doubt whatsoever the people doing the fighting are supremely competent (bar a Kuwaiti Patriot missile team), it's the people doing the strategising I'm worried about. I've a bad feeling they just really get off on being able to command people to blow shit up. Most leaders will lean on people with superior knowledge, skill and experience and give them autonomy to make informed decisions and feed that back. Problem with Trump is that he likely believes that there’s no single person more informed, more intelligent and more experienced than him in absolutely any given topic. Quote
mickbrown Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Why are folk on here so keen to see British servicemen killed? It’s fucking weird. Quote
Winchester White Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Sweep said: I know we were told not to long ago that their nuclear program had been totally obliterated, and they'd been set back decades. Unless that wasn't true of course... There were plenty discussions on here about if that was possible, remotely true, bluster or taken as gospel. Rinse and repeat. Quote
Marc505 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dimron said: No war has been won using air power alone Exactly. Not one where regime change is one of the explicitly stated goals, anyway. Which is why I'm worried that they've (USA) gone into this because theyve started to get drunk on the idea of their own power projection. We know how self-aware they are about memes, shit posting and the power of social media etc... and I genuinely think one of their prime motivators is "fuck around, find out". Nothing more, nothing less. Edited March 2 by Marc505 Quote
Marc505 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, boltonboris said: Most leaders will lean on people with superior knowledge, skill and experience and give them autonomy to make informed decisions and feed that back. Problem with Trump is that he likely believes that there’s no single person more informed, more intelligent and more experienced than him in absolutely any given topic. Its possibly an over simplification, but the general feeling I've seen from commentators is that he was held back in his first term because there were adults in the room, ie people who had been there seen it and done it, in all walks of life including military. They're now gone. And as you say, he genuinely believes he's a legendary strategist and thinker. This is why I'm concerned, as I'm not sure where this ends. Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 2 Posted March 2 50 minutes ago, Dimron said: I think you might find the UK are deploying assets to help our citizens but not making a big shout about it... its what we do That post was about two citizens currently held in Iranian prisons (almost certainly on bogus charges/as bargaining chips) We won't be moving assets to assist there Quote
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