Transfer Gossip

[Matt Lofthouse]

8 hours ago, Zog1 said:

Question is, what does this look like in terms of a set up? something like this: 

 

 

You’ve missed our best player and heart beat of everything we do. 

[Eddie]

We can’t go back to 1 up top and it be Dalby - it’s unfair on him more than anything else

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, Zog1 said:

I don't agree, i think when you're playing 2 in the middle, you need the physicality Sheehan lacks. I think that lack of physicality limits others in the team by forcing them deeper. His passing is the best in the team but i'm not convinced we need it from that position. 

 

Certainly away from home.

Two wide men, and only one "defensive" midfielder is a risk.

One of the best performances this season- Wigan at home- saw those two central iirc.

[meanderson93]

I think we can only go one up top of its Burstow with runners or Hardie if that ever happens.

With the new signings and lack of proper 10 still I think my preference would be a 4-3-3.

Bonham

Christie, Toal, Johnston, Conway

Ehrahon

Sheehan, Simons

Apter, Hardie, Blackett-Taylor

[waffer cup 07]

1 minute ago, meanderson93 said:

I think we can only go one up top of its Burstow with runners or Hardie if that ever happens.

With the new signings and lack of proper 10 still I think my preference would be a 4-3-3.

Bonham

Christie, Toal, Johnston, Conway

Ehrahon

Sheehan, Simons

Apter, Hardie, Blackett-Taylor

This No 10, wev'e tried various players in this  so called No 10 position, none seem to work. Please define a No10 and what player you think we should sign to play there. 

[meanderson93]

20 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

This No 10, wev'e tried various players in this  so called No 10 position, none seem to work. Please define a No10 and what player you think we should sign to play there. 

That's what I'm saying, we don't really have one, so let's not bother.

But to answer your question a 10 to me is an attacking midfielder that can pick the ball up from deeper midfielders, find space between the opposition lines, make the odd run beyond the striker, or find balls through to him or in-cutting wingers.

If you're struggling to picture what a 10 is, then from our own history imagine a Clough, Nolan, Okocha at times.

[waffer cup 07]

I'm really not. But there seems so much importance put on that position, when we can't find one. Just stick with a second striker.

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, masi 51 said:

Throw a curve-ball in. Apter it seems was Charltons player of the month back in August playing at LWB

Seems he then had a fall out with Jones.

Doubt we have signed him for that position but perhaps for a one off.

Played RW in all 4 league games in August according to the line ups on BBC.  And if looking at his 1 goal for Charlton (QPR end Aug), it was scored by coming in from the right wing to meet a left wing cross at the back post.

Not a bad shout as an alternative as you say but if he played LWB for Charlton it wasn't in August.

[Johnnyrotten]

I think the Apter signing is as straight forward as he's replacing the injured ACD, and the CBT signing is an upgrade on Gale.  I think on that basis we'll be going back to 4 at the back most of the time.

[Whitesince63]

1 hour ago, waffer cup 07 said:

This No 10, wev'e tried various players in this  so called No 10 position, none seem to work. Please define a No10 and what player you think we should sign to play there. 

Like you these numbers today confuse me. Personally though I’d say it’s an attacking box to box midfield player in the Nobby or Speed mould but I’m sure others will have a different description.

[Whitesince63]

12 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I think the Apter signing is as straight forward as he's replacing the injured ACD, and the CBT signing is an upgrade on Gale.  I think on that basis we'll be going back to 4 at the back most of the time.

I sincerely hope not, we look so much more solid with the 3 central defenders and wing backs.

[meanderson93]

1 minute ago, Whitesince63 said:

I sincerely hope not, we look so much more solid with the 3 central defenders and wing backs.

I think it's probably been a case of it's been easier to much easier to identify and secure wingers in this market than it has been wing backs that can improve us.

They're a hot commodity and hard to find good young ones.

[Whitestar]

So are we going to try to get a striker or will we go with what we've got?.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

I sincerely hope not, we look so much more solid with the 3 central defenders and wing backs.

Hard to be certain though.  Home games, we've been solid all season, never conceded more than 1, and even when we've been off form in recent weeks the keeper's had virtually nothing to do, whatever the formation.

So the "being more solid" is based on Wigan and Stevenage away - they were dreadful, and hard to judge if we were solid as the opposition either hardly had the ball or were just poor when they did have it.  I'd want to see 5 at the back at Barnsley, Peterboro or Stockport before judging it properly.

SS has signed two wingers who will play the majority of games when available, so that just tells me its back to wingers rightly or wrongly.

[Tombwfc]

As basic as it is, however you define a number 10, for us it's as simple as 'they're playing in attack, they need to be creating and scoring goals'.

McAtee, Forss, Randall and Dempsey have played in advanced positions and combined for six goals and one assist. People are raving about Dalby's hold up play, but someone has to have the responsibility of putting the ball in the net.

Both signings this week have decentish scoring records for wingers - Apter got 8 in L1 last year, CBT got 8 in half a season before he joined Derby. But we still need a goalscorer if the Burstow who started the season is gone for good.

[masi 51]

37 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Played RW in all 4 league games in August according to the line ups on BBC.  And if looking at his 1 goal for Charlton (QPR end Aug), it was scored by coming in from the right wing to meet a left wing cross at the back post.

Not a bad shout as an alternative as you say but if he played LWB for Charlton it wasn't in August.

Only going off what they say on the Charlton Forum, seems he was dropped not because he was playing bad, but because he fell out with Jones.

Think we have brought him  in as a direct replacement for ACD....Not idea where Blackett Taylor fits in

[Rival Son]

2 hours ago, meanderson93 said:

That's what I'm saying, we don't really have one, so let's not bother.

But to answer your question a 10 to me is an attacking midfielder that can pick the ball up from deeper midfielders, find space between the opposition lines, make the odd run beyond the striker, or find balls through to him or in-cutting wingers.

If you're struggling to picture what a 10 is, then from our own history imagine a Clough, Nolan, Okocha at times.

You have just described an 8. Dempsey is our best example.

A 10 is a forward who drops back into midfield to support and retrieve the ball. McAtee is our best example.

[ianofcleveleys]

The role of this player, whatever we call him, is one that causes a lot of debate, for what its worth my preference would be for someone who doesn't do so much dropping back into midfield but operates more as a striker and who plays close to / around Dalby, and gets beyond him at times, to get onto flick ons and break back lines. 

In the second half on Tuesday, McAtee showed some signs of being able to do that, albeit he hasn't a lot of speed off the mark. By no means advocating this but someone of Charles's ilk maybe. 

[burnden]

 

[Chrisj]

3 hours ago, Eddie said:

We can’t go back to 1 up top and it be Dalby - it’s unfair on him more than anything else

He’s always played the one up Burstow and McAtee supporting from the No10 I hate that word role.  It can work if we play into him and get the wingers involved 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

22 minutes ago, burnden said:

 

We must've had reassurances/ be convinced re. his injury

[woolli]

Really surprised that Hardie is our number one target. Could be another month or so before hes anywhere near the first team. Then again, who is available?, and at what cost?

[Ratwhite]

13 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Be daft to drop McAtee after last night, ran his socks off and working really well with Dalby. 

They're both ours and need to be given a run. 

 

Best ive seen from McAtee to date

[Blondi]

Is Hardie likely to be coming on loan or permanent?

[Wanderlust]

32 minutes ago, woolli said:

Really surprised that Hardie is our number one target. Could be another month or so before hes anywhere near the first team. Then again, who is available?, and at what cost?

Nombe seems to have been priced out and nobody else of note has been mentioned, but I think we should be casting our net wider than we seem to be doing and going for a permanent deal for someone who can hack it in the Championship as that would be helpful in getting there and one less thing to worry about about if we do.