Politics

[Bertie]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Spot on. They should instead be showing them how Reform’s policies will make their lives 100 times worse, whilst actually making a few decisions and implementing policies to make their lives better. Same for the Tories tbh.

I cannot for the life of me understand what question Reform is the answer to.

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Reform don’t really help that image when they have to sack their candidates within 48 hours of election for suggesting Nigerians should be melted down to fill potholes, or that pakis should be shot.

Just for balance, like.

[gonzo]

4 minutes ago, Bertie said:

 

I cannot for the life of me understand what question Reform is the answer to.

You've got to be kidding 

There's one giant reason Reform exist.

Both the main parties have caused this.

Now Labour at the most critical time are deciding to eat themselves alive and implode. What the fuck are they doing?

 

 

[Spider]

Just now, gonzo said:

You've got to be kidding 

There's one giant reason Reform exist.

Both the main parties have caused this.

Now Labour at the most critical time are deciding to eat themselves alive and implode. What the fuck are they doing?

 

 

If reform got in tomorrow, the same thing would happen.

We now exist in a time of hyper-scrutiny. If reform policy is indeed to go back to a “better time” then maybe just having battles across the front pages of newspapers is part of their manifesto.

we’re beyond the rubicon at this point in terms of analysis. Same with football, 5 minute VAR reviews when most observers are ok with the refs decision.

Bottom line, Labour could install Jesus Christ as leader and half of Twitter would be seething and calling him a lefty wetwipe because he fed the poor when they should be feeding themselves.

[Tombwfc]

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

If reform got in tomorrow, the same thing would happen.

We now exist in a time of hyper-scrutiny. If reform policy is indeed to go back to a “better time” then maybe just having battles across the front pages of newspapers is part of their manifesto.

we’re beyond the rubicon at this point in terms of analysis. Same with football, 5 minute VAR reviews when most observers are ok with the refs decision.

Bottom line, Labour could install Jesus Christ as leader and half of Twitter would be seething and calling him a lefty wetwipe because he fed the poor when they should be feeding themselves.

 

Quite. Anybody who thinks Streeting will even last until the next election, or that Nige wouldn't be facing calls to resign within minutes of being PM is being daft.

This is it now. PM's in on a rotational basis because having someone run the country for four years and then voting on whether they've done a good job is boring. And it doesn't get clicks, comments and people listening to podcasts.

Which isn't a defence of Starmer, but nobody can seriously believe this is a sensible way forward.

Edited yesterday at 07:29 by Tombwfc

[gonzo]

We as a country are Spurs.

[Spider]

Just now, gonzo said:

We as a country are Spurs.

More West Ham. Being done by a VAR analysis that is a weird, schrodinger’s foul. It is and it isn’t. Starmer has been just, well, dull.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think it's less because having a PM for four years is boring and more because voting is becoming increasingly fragmented

There's been quite a seismic change in voting patterns over the last few years and the two-party system, and with it the concept of a safe seat, is dissipating

That makes MPs nervous to a greater extent than it used to 

Also, any PM now will almost certainly win a general election on a smaller percentage of the vote share, which makes it more difficult to hold things together 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

God help us when Starmer gets potted, yes he’s crap but what’s behind and alongside him on the benches is another level of shit…. Buckle up and strap in. 

It was the same with the Tories and it'll be the same after the next election 

It's a thoroughly depressing state of affairs 

[Traf]

I’m pro-Burnham. 
I think that overall he has been very good for Manchester.

As for Starmer, he has actually done a better job than has been made out, but the comms from the party have been dreadful and he personally has less charisma/personality than John Major had.

And as for Reform, they've only really got one policy and it's a policy that's already destined to fail, but sounds good in theory.
Wasn't Brexit supposed to help towards this goal?
Wasn't it a main Tory policy that failed and now all the Tory ministers who failed to implement it are at Reform?

[mickbrown]

55 minutes ago, Traf said:

I’m pro-Burnham. 
I think that overall he has been very good for Manchester.

As for Starmer, he has actually done a better job than has been made out, but the comms from the party have been dreadful and he personally has less charisma/personality than John Major had.

And as for Reform, they've only really got one policy and it's a policy that's already destined to fail, but sounds good in theory.
Wasn't Brexit supposed to help towards this goal?
Wasn't it a main Tory policy that failed and now all the Tory ministers who failed to implement it are at Reform?

I might be in a gang of one here, but I couldn't give a shit if the PM has charisma. 

Johnson had charisma and look what a shit show that turned out to be

I'd just like them to get on with the job in the background, but no. the media won't allow that.

The media of this country is largely right leaning and they've had it in for Starmer since day one. If he goes his replacement will get the exact same treatment, charisma or not. 

Arsenal tickets? Cue hysteria

Undeclared £5 million personal donation? Fuck all

The British public are being played and as Cheese has said before they deserve the shitstorm that is coming their way and it will be fucking hilarious to watch it unfold.

Fuck em.

 

[Sweep]

11 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

The British public are being played and as Cheese has said before they deserve the shitstorm that is coming their way and it will be fucking hilarious to watch it unfold.

Fuck em.

 

If we do vote Reform in, then we deserve what's coming. Like BREXIT, I'm sure it'll be viewed in decades to come as another calamitous action of self harm.

I'd hate to be one of the "poor" under Reform, as they'll be well and truly fucked over, of that I think there is little doubt

 

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

I might be in a gang of one here, but I couldn't give a shit if the PM has charisma. 

Johnson had charisma and look what a shit show that turned out to be

I'd just like them to get on with the job in the background, but no. the media won't allow that.

The media of this country is largely right leaning and they've had it in for Starmer since day one. If he goes his replacement will get the exact same treatment, charisma or not. 

Arsenal tickets? Cue hysteria

Undeclared £5 million personal donation? Fuck all

The British public are being played and as Cheese has said before they deserve the shitstorm that is coming their way and it will be fucking hilarious to watch it unfold.

Fuck em.

 

 

I think 'it's all a right wing media stitch up' doesn't really fly as an explanation. The left hate Starmer as much as the right do.

[royal white]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

I might be in a gang of one here, but I couldn't give a shit if the PM has charisma. 

Johnson had charisma and look what a shit show that turned out to be

I'd just like them to get on with the job in the background, but no. the media won't allow that.

The media of this country is largely right leaning and they've had it in for Starmer since day one. If he goes his replacement will get the exact same treatment, charisma or not. 

Arsenal tickets? Cue hysteria

Undeclared £5 million personal donation? Fuck all

The British public are being played and as Cheese has said before they deserve the shitstorm that is coming their way and it will be fucking hilarious to watch it unfold.

Fuck em.

 

Really? Another that avoids the news I’m guessing. 

If memory serves me right am sure  Boris and Rishi got plenty of shit off the right wing media. 

[mickbrown]

22 minutes ago, royal white said:

Really? Another that avoids the news I’m guessing. 

If memory serves me right am sure  Boris and Rishi got plenty of shit off the right wing media. 

Not right wing enough, they wanted them out as well.

They want Fagash and nowt will appease them.

Bring it on. Be funny as fuck.

[frank_spencer]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

More West Ham. Being done by a VAR analysis that is a weird, schrodinger’s foul. It is and it isn’t. Starmer has been just, well, dull.

Starmer is as dull centrist as you can get.

He's not lefty enough so has lost support to greens etc

He's not right wing enough and has lost support to reform.

[Spider]

See if you can guess who - based on all polling - the 5 most unpopular prime ministers in British history are.

 

[Spider]

I’ll tell you.

It’s the last 5 that’s we’ve had.

Anyone who tells you social media isn’t the problem, is part of the problem.

Bolty is a perfect example. Sides chosen, will not hear of anything other than positives from his team, and will spend every other waking moment leaping on any negatives - real or imagined - from the opposition.

This is then conflated by social media and the arguments that ensue. Trenches are dug deeper, insults are the only real blows being traded and the discourse is gone.

Elon Musk is the biggest villain the world has ever known.

[Zulu]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Sides chosen, will not hear of anything other than positives from his team, and will spend every other waking moment leaping on any negatives - real or imagined - from the opposition.

Something that you'd never do, eh? 😃

[Spider]

15 minutes ago, Zulu said:

Something that you'd never do, eh? 😃

Check back, I always said Boris was a great writer, good entertainment. But a fucking woeful politician.

Farage is a wonderful influencer, he is a very capable public speaker. But what he says just happens to be 90% cowshit.

Starmer is dull as shit. Never going to make legend status. Workmanlike, poor communicator but genuine grafter. 2 years is probably the best any PM can hope for in this day and age so he’s hit that target. He’s reduced net migration, ironically.

Balance is possible 😊

[fatolive]

30 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’ll tell you.

It’s the last 5 that’s we’ve had.

Anyone who tells you social media isn’t the problem, is part of the problem.

Bolty is a perfect example. Sides chosen, will not hear of anything other than positives from his team, and will spend every other waking moment leaping on any negatives - real or imagined - from the opposition.

This is then conflated by social media and the arguments that ensue. Trenches are dug deeper, insults are the only real blows being traded and the discourse is gone.

Elon Musk is the biggest villain the world has ever known.

It is , without doubt, however, the advent of the printing press was also demonised the same when it first arrived , due to the propaganda it could spread faster and is credited for the schism in the church and the Protestant reformation, which luckily didn’t cause any issues at all across Europe …

Though I agree social media is a factor , it’s the same issues, the speed of information to support a cause and how it’s used by those receiving it, just a different era and subject . 
there’s nowt new in this world 

[gonzo]

When you've crowds full of retards at darts and football matches singing you're a wanker you know the jobs fucked.

I've mentioned it before there was a genuinely a Dad on my kids football group blaming Kier Starmer for the league announcing a silent weekend to promote better parents behaviour.

Every Migrant that attacks a young girl it's Starmers Britain despite the complete migration shit show he took over.

You've got turkeys voting for Xmas sat in council estate pubs across the land blamin their pints going up in price on Kier Starmer and Boat folk. When it's those who Reform will hit first.

It's all one big mess.

[kent_white]

I've said for years that Nigel Farage is one of the most influential UK politicians in my lifetime.

But then Pontius Pilot was one of the most influential Judean governors in Jesus' lifetime and it didn't do him much good either 😁

PS - not comparing myself to Jesus here btw

 

[Cheese]

 

[Ani]

Jess Philips going might be the critical blow.

Starmer seems a decent man and his lack of charisma would be less of an issue if he was doing a great job, but he has acknowledged his mistakes but they were easily avoidable - Mandelson and Winter fuel the most obvious. 
 

I bet in 9 out of 10 examples when you think about the best bosses you have in your own work they will also have decent charisma. Just because the last set of clowns were ‘characters’ but fucking useless , it does not mean having a bit of character is a bad thing.