Coronavirus

[only1swanny]

23 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Should be. Correct 

what happens then when Millions lose their jobs? And find themselves on universal credit. Governments fault then? Not a pop just a genuine scenario that would happen and would like your view as you seem to be quite balanced in your views 

That is the issue, the Government simply can't afford for that to happen. 

We're one of the technological hubs, had an economy that was doing quite well and it's come crashing down. 

I've got an insight into 2 different industries..

Public sector worker, I get paid full wage, work from home and have to go into work to cover key workers children on a rota.. LOads would happily do that, loads would rather be teaching, FWIW i'd much rather be in work.

The carper cleaning side,.. about 90% have stopped working as it's in customer houses and they have deemed it too risky (although they will still go to the supermarket where there is much more risk), some are happy to sit back and wait for June's payment, ones that haven't worked for 3 years or have had lower incomes. Some have decided to do online courses for "fogging" which isn't actually proven to work, however have combined this with sales courses and are charging crazy money to "make buildings safe". Diversify or die I suppose. Not really for me as I like a clear conscience and despite being able to do it, there is no proof it works. 

Some have deemed it too risky to work in peoples houses and taken temporary jobs in supermarkets etc.. not sure in the logic there myself.. 

People need the money, the government needs the money coming in, otherwise the only winners are the supermarkets and "essential retailers" such as home bargains and B&M, whilst all the smaller companies struggle to keep afloat. 

[ZiggyStardust]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

No offence taken,  the difference is I expect companies to act with common sense and act honourably and with the best interest of their staff. I practice exactly the same standards for my personal well being. Playing a round of golf on my own 1 hole behind the group in front and the group behind posed zero danger to me or any one else. 

Fair do's.

I don't agree that your actions in an unecessary event caused any less danger to the non essentail work may do, but at least you have explained your opinions.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

That is the issue, the Government simply can't afford for that to happen. 

We're one of the technological hubs, had an economy that was doing quite well and it's come crashing down. 

I've got an insight into 2 different industries..

Public sector worker, I get paid full wage, work from home and have to go into work to cover key workers children on a rota.. LOads would happily do that, loads would rather be teaching, FWIW i'd much rather be in work.

The carper cleaning side,.. about 90% have stopped working as it's in customer houses and they have deemed it too risky (although they will still go to the supermarket where there is much more risk), some are happy to sit back and wait for June's payment, ones that haven't worked for 3 years or have had lower incomes. Some have decided to do online courses for "fogging" which isn't actually proven to work, however have combined this with sales courses and are charging crazy money to "make buildings safe". Diversify or die I suppose. Not really for me as I like a clear conscience and despite being able to do it, there is no proof it works. 

Some have deemed it too risky to work in peoples houses and taken temporary jobs in supermarkets etc.. not sure in the logic there myself.. 

People need the money, the government needs the money coming in, otherwise the only winners are the supermarkets and "essential retailers" such as home bargains and B&M, whilst all the smaller companies struggle to keep afloat. 

We have the same views 

the government is treading a very fine and treacherous line. It’s a lose lose situation they cannot win 

[mickbrown]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't you believe the likes of Valance, Van Tam etc when they say they are learning all the time from data gathered from all over? Shared science.

Did you watch the BBC interview earlier with Italy's pm?

Western nations don't operate culturally like for eastern ones.

Given numbers of our population won't isolate according to instructions for a couple of weeks, why do you keep banging on about shutting things down earlier?

These are the guys looking at the whole picture: medically, I'm sure they'd have loved to lockdown severely, and early. However using behaviourists etc gives a slightly different picture. In the end a balanced approach.

 

 

So you don’t think we went too late? Forget what the experts are telling you for a minute. You don’t look at the figures and wonder what if?

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't you believe the likes of Valance, Van Tam etc when they say they are learning all the time from data gathered from all over? Shared science.

Did you watch the BBC interview earlier with Italy's pm?

Western nations don't operate culturally like for eastern ones.

Given numbers of our population won't isolate according to instructions for a couple of weeks, why do you keep banging on about shutting things down earlier?

These are the guys looking at the whole picture: medically, I'm sure they'd have loved to lockdown severely, and early. However using behaviourists etc gives a slightly different picture. In the end a balanced approach.

 

 

To be fair. I think the made what they thought were the right decisions at the time. Be interesting to see in retrospect if they would have done differently. That is not slagging them off but given how full the tube was for the days after the event, the inability of some people to follow advice etc would they push harder a bit sooner ? Also they now know more about the virus so again would learnings change those calls. 
 

What makes any discussion on the subject  difficult is when people support the govt no matter what and others slag them off. Hancocks comments yesterday are a good example. He may have worded it awkwardly but I do not think he was slagging off nhs staff but that has been the story. 

[ErnestTurnip]

Headteacher where my mrs works has not had a day off and never had a single piece of PPE. Summat like 50% of the staff are now ill or have been ill including my mrs who was straight back in after 11 days of being too ill to get out of bed and finishing her self isolation.

There's hundreds of thousands if not more people in a similar or even more serious situation and they will inevitably start to lose people to this.

I don't do politics on here but the only people they can blame and will blame are those currently in power, it won't be a party political thing, it won't be a personality thing, it will be a "those who should have helped us failed to do so". And alongside the inevitable economic problems we have yet to face it might be that that actually shapes things as we move out of this.

 

[miamiwhite]

Sums up tonight on here

 

 

[stevieb]

We should rename this thread "a daily update of Kelly Brooks busters and that other thing that's bothering the rest of the world a bit". 

We could have rudy post a new pic (or the same) at the same time every day. Give us something to look forward to as the world burns... 

[mickbrown]

11 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Sums up tonight on here

 

 

World has definitely gone to shit when you’re the voice of reason😀

Long may it continue.👍

 

[miamiwhite]

Just now, mickbrown said:

World has definitely gone to shit when you’re the voice of reason😀

Long may it continue.👍

 

Fuck off Steve Hedley 🤭🤭

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, stevieb said:

We should rename this thread "a daily update of Kelly Brooks busters and that other thing that's bothering the rest of the world a bit". 

We could have rudy post a new pic (or the same) at the same time every day. Give us something to look forward to as the world burns... 

I won’t let you down fellas 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Unless it’s essential work it’s clear they should not be working and it follows should be furloughed. 

But there's loads of people who can't afford not to work and as many who can't afford to be sick, so to them it's essential

[mickbrown]

8 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Fuck off Steve Hedley 🤭🤭

I had to google that. 

[miamiwhite]

5 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

I had to google that. 

You pay his wages 🤭😂😂😂👍

[miamiwhite]

Bad news for his essential journey 

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/18374677.police-arrest-drug-driver-pursuit-egerton/

[Casino]

1500 tests done at the national testing centre yesterday

But so long as you stick your fingers in your ears and lalala there's nowt to worry about

[Casino]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Bad news for his essential journey 

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/18374677.police-arrest-drug-driver-pursuit-egerton/

We are hearing lots of sirens

Dunno if it's just that it's so quiet

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

1500 tests done at the national testing centre yesterday

But so long as you stick your fingers in your ears and lalala there's nowt to worry about

Which one? There’s more than one no? Or are PHE lying about these being operational?

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

We are hearing lots of sirens

Dunno if it's just that it's so quiet

Definitely seem to be more on the roads and not clogging up A&E with drunks they've arrested.

[thegod11]

Frequent lurker, very seldom post but just to add a personal touch to this.

My dad currently resides at the woodlands in Little Hulton. He is 80 and suffers from Alzheimer’s hence where he is. Massive Wanderer in his day and brought my brother and I up that way, not quite sure we thank him for that.

Anyhow, received a call on Tuesday advising dad had symptoms along with the news others on his ward had tested positive. On Thursday we were told dad had tested positive. We haven’t seen dad for 6 weeks as the home locked down early.

the staff in the home have been amazing , keeping us informed at all times including a WhatsApp call yesterday but due to dad’s condition he didn’t take to it and the call was very brief but just the opportunity to talk to dad for such a short time was a blessing. He is poorly but comfortable and receiving an unbelievable level of care from people who aren’t all trained for this but care deeply.

We don’t blame anyone for this, we don’t hold anyone accountable, it’s a global crisis playing out in many different ways in many different families.

we hope dad remains comfortable and salute those that care for him whilst putting themselves at great risk.

[Cheese]

Was speaking to my elderly neighbour this afternoon over the fence. He said he wasn't feeling too well "but I don't think it's that Conjunctivitis". I felt like a right cunt correcting him.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, thegod11 said:

Frequent lurker, very seldom post but just to add a personal touch to this.

My dad currently resides at the woodlands in Little Hulton. He is 80 and suffers from Alzheimer’s hence where he is. Massive Wanderer in his day and brought my brother and I up that way, not quite sure we thank him for that.

Anyhow, received a call on Tuesday advising dad had symptoms along with the news others on his ward had tested positive. On Thursday we were told dad had tested positive. We haven’t seen dad for 6 weeks as the home locked down early.

the staff in the home have been amazing , keeping us informed at all times including a WhatsApp call yesterday but due to dad’s condition he didn’t take to it and the call was very brief but just the opportunity to talk to dad for such a short time was a blessing. He is poorly but comfortable and receiving an unbelievable level of care from people who aren’t all trained for this but care deeply.

We don’t blame anyone for this, we don’t hold anyone accountable, it’s a global crisis playing out in many different ways in many different families.

we hope dad remains comfortable and salute those that care for him whilst putting themselves at great risk.

God bless

[Spider]

1 minute ago, thegod11 said:

Frequent lurker, very seldom post but just to add a personal touch to this.

My dad currently resides at the woodlands in Little Hulton. He is 80 and suffers from Alzheimer’s hence where he is. Massive Wanderer in his day and brought my brother and I up that way, not quite sure we thank him for that.

Anyhow, received a call on Tuesday advising dad had symptoms along with the news others on his ward had tested positive. On Thursday we were told dad had tested positive. We haven’t seen dad for 6 weeks as the home locked down early.

the staff in the home have been amazing , keeping us informed at all times including a WhatsApp call yesterday but due to dad’s condition he didn’t take to it and the call was very brief but just the opportunity to talk to dad for such a short time was a blessing. He is poorly but comfortable and receiving an unbelievable level of care from people who aren’t all trained for this but care deeply.

We don’t blame anyone for this, we don’t hold anyone accountable, it’s a global crisis playing out in many different ways in many different families.

we hope dad remains comfortable and salute those that care for him whilst putting themselves at great risk.

My sympathy mate. It’s a shit old situation and it sounds like the staff are going above and beyond for your dad.

Fingers crossed for you.

[miamiwhite]

3 minutes ago, thegod11 said:

Frequent lurker, very seldom post but just to add a personal touch to this.

My dad currently resides at the woodlands in Little Hulton. He is 80 and suffers from Alzheimer’s hence where he is. Massive Wanderer in his day and brought my brother and I up that way, not quite sure we thank him for that.

Anyhow, received a call on Tuesday advising dad had symptoms along with the news others on his ward had tested positive. On Thursday we were told dad had tested positive. We haven’t seen dad for 6 weeks as the home locked down early.

the staff in the home have been amazing , keeping us informed at all times including a WhatsApp call yesterday but due to dad’s condition he didn’t take to it and the call was very brief but just the opportunity to talk to dad for such a short time was a blessing. He is poorly but comfortable and receiving an unbelievable level of care from people who aren’t all trained for this but care deeply.

We don’t blame anyone for this, we don’t hold anyone accountable, it’s a global crisis playing out in many different ways in many different families.

we hope dad remains comfortable and salute those that care for him whilst putting themselves at great risk.

Hope your dad pulls through pal, please keep us updated 👍🙏

[stevieb]

I live on CNR... 1 in 10, maybe 20 vehicles is an ambulance with blue lights.... 

It's been that way for a week or two. Other vehicles are buses with no one on and twats in SUVs driving wearing surgical masks.