tomski Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: Im not signing up to read it all but does it say how they'd decide the play off winner? And i guess promotion to the championship means that the championship will have relegation, and promotion Or do the PL get to say no relegation or new teams coming up? Top 3 and no play offs. Oxford go up as 3rd. Portsmouth and someone else also on same points. They’ve had a result. No mention of championship other than the promoted teams. This is just L1 and L2 according to the article. Edited May 8, 2020 by tomski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnestTurnip Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 I'm in a position to let them keep mine, was only thinking this morning about Goldline and Lifeline as well and wondering if many had cancelled them. It's from the Trust though so think we can take it with a pinch of salt for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: Whilst I’m sure that any legal team would be happy to take the money, I doubt any of them would have success winning a case The league is just a representation of the 71 clubs, if they put it to a vote and PPG wins I fail to see how that’s a basis for legal action If you don’t like the outcome then the alternative is to withdraw your team from the league and find another one to play in Thing is, if you go to L2 teams at the top and say OK positions are Crewe, Swindon, Plymouth and then though Exeter are 4th, it looks like PPG would put Cheltenham above them (this "weighting notion" notwithstanding), so those 4 go up with Exeter missing out. So in one sense Exeter can be miffed. But if the only options are (1) start again or (2) go with this, then they cannot go up either way. So it's surely no skin off their nose if the others do? Yes, in one sense it's unfair, but so is 30,000 people dying. And short of investing in a Tardis and a covid vaccine, they'll never know how the season would unfold anyhow. Unless they could come up with a foolproof plan for BCD stuff then they don't have a leg to stand on. No legal battle will result in them going up - it can't. So (unless maybe they were arguing against the PPG notion I suppose) then they'd be wasting their time and energy just to throw a hissy-fit at other team's good fortune. If I was an Exeter fan I'd be wanting the board to be expending that effort on sorting out next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 8, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, radcliffewhite1 said: thoughts on here? me keep it https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/18436048.bolton-wanderers-fans-asked-waive-money-owed-club/ Why are the mistrust getting involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 8, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said: Thing is, if you go to L2 teams at the top and say OK positions are Crewe, Swindon, Plymouth and then though Exeter are 4th, it looks like PPG would put Cheltenham above them (this "weighting notion" notwithstanding), so those 4 go up with Exeter missing out. So in one sense Exeter can be miffed. But if the only options are (1) start again or (2) go with this, then they cannot go up either way. So it's surely no skin off their nose if the others do? Yes, in one sense it's unfair, but so is 30,000 people dying. And short of investing in a Tardis and a covid vaccine, they'll never know how the season would unfold anyhow. Unless they could come up with a foolproof plan for BCD stuff then they don't have a leg to stand on. No legal battle will result in them going up - it can't. So (unless maybe they were arguing against the PPG notion I suppose) then they'd be wasting their time and energy just to throw a hissy-fit at other team's good fortune. If I was an Exeter fan I'd be wanting the board to be expending that effort on sorting out next season Promotion, im with you Relegation is murkier waters Not us, but theres teams with very real chances of changing positions And how can divs 3 and 4 make decisions without prem and 2 finalising their plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted May 8, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 8, 2020 42 minutes ago, Casino said: And how can divs 3 and 4 make decisions without prem and 2 finalising their plans don't see how they can in any case, there will be zero legal action whatever happens it really is a case of tough shit because it's an act of god, and who's going to take god to court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 The PL title race is all but finished. TV want the relegation battle (but clubs don't). Money talks and the PL will face a massive loss if planned live broadcast matches don't happen. Relegate just 2 from PL (as a sop to clubs involved), reducing PL to 18 as per Bundesliga (and UEFA recommendations). EFL wrap up now without further ado - no promotion or relegation. Divisions One and Two split into North and South, and Barrow elected to vacant space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 They'd need to decide which God/god committed the act first, it would be a waste of time taking one god to court then finding out it was one of the others that did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) People talk about legal challenges left right and centre. I’m actually not too sure and have been thinking about this Each club is a member of the league. The league like any entity with members or shareholders (remember the golden share?) has rules and the ability to make amendments to itself subject to the ratification of its members. The proportion of members required to push through an amendment will be clearly agreed. This isn’t the first time the leagues have amended there rules around promotion relegation or the constitution of the league. as such whatever is put forward will need ratifying by a majority. I would imagine that in itself is enough as long as due care and transparency is part of the process and the rules are followed. ive seen first hand disgruntled shareholders raising court action against a company as they didn’t agree with the actions of the directors or a sale of the Business in one instance which they didn’t want. Sadly the agreed articles of that company permitted the sale subject to consent of x shareholders. This will be no different. as such there is to be no court in the land that is going to be able to overturn whatever is agreed. Irrespective of how upset any one club gets imo Edited May 8, 2020 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 8, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2020 Is it a 51/49 style majority that’s needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Spider said: Is it a 51/49 style majority that’s needed? I think they said the PL requires at least 15 clubs to vote for a change for it to happen, so 75:25 Not sure about EFL rules Also not sure about this as it isn’t a change as such, more a decision either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 8, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2020 Just now, birch-chorley said: I think they said the PL requires at least 15 clubs to vote for a change for it to happen, so 75:25 Not sure about EFL rules Also not sure about this as it isn’t a change as such, more a decision either way I just cannot see any clubs with a real shout of going/staying up simply letting this happen. If it’s 75% needed then i think this will rumble on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Spider said: Is it a 51/49 style majority that’s needed? Up here they needed 80% as that was what was written into the constitution of the league. But it needed that in each division I think not just Overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I think they said the PL requires at least 15 clubs to vote for a change for it to happen, so 75:25 Not sure about EFL rules Also not sure about this as it isn’t a change as such, more a decision either way There has to be a mechanism for dealing with everything no matter how outlandish it is such as a global pandemic. If not then effectively it could and will grind to a halt. So they have to have the ability to do radical things as long as Liverpool don’t win the league I don’t really care what happens tbh as I believe it’s only right we are relegated anything else just wouldn’t sit right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted May 8, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: They'd need to decide which God/god committed the act first, it would be a waste of time taking one god to court then finding out it was one of the others that did it. all the signs suggest it was the Jade Emporer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Well I hope BWFC don’t vote for this plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Well I hope BWFC don’t vote for this plan. What plan and why? To terminate the leagues and go ppg? Why wouldn’t that be absolutely in our best interests to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Escobarp said: What plan and why? To terminate the leagues and go ppg? Why wouldn’t that be absolutely in our best interests to do that? I’d prefer season null and void and no relegation. Edited May 8, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’d prefer, null and void and no relegation. But then comes the debate about -12 again and does our embargo start again from fresh. If so I would rather go down as is fair and have one more year under embargo. Otherwise as I see it we find ourselves in the same situation in twelve months potentially facing relegation With another year left on the embargo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted May 8, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2020 Is it just me? I know that we’re talking about a majority vote but when I see 75/25 or 51/49 I always think of Battlemips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRiddle Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Escobar You make some valid points but this is in the middle of a competition, not the close season. So the teams are not voting on a future state with all teams starting the season in full knowledge of the facts, but will be voting on a decision with their hands shown and their choice driven by it. The fact the league never had a contingency in place to determine how to end a season in terms of league placing is a real scandal, but the fact they haven't means any decision now will be open to challenge. I said weeks a ago the only way this will pan out is with the season annulled, that way lall teams have had the same treatment by the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said: Escobar You make some valid points but this is in the middle of a competition, not the close season. So the teams are not voting on a future state with all teams starting the season in full knowledge of the facts, but will be voting on a decision with their hands shown and their choice driven by it. The fact the league never had a contingency in place to determine how to end a season in terms of league placing is a real scandal, but the fact they haven't means any decision now will be open to challenge. I said weeks a ago the only way this will pan out is with the season annulled, that way lall teams have had the same treatment by the league. And I believe the season will be ended with ppg. I cannot see null and voided. And I think it’s detrimental to our club personally as well as I strongly believe we get -12 again and the 2 year embargo. we shall find out soon which one of us is closer to the truth pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Well Stevenage might as well go down from L2 - they've lost the last 9 games and only have one player in contract after the end of June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: And I believe the season will be ended with ppg. I cannot see null and voided. And I think it’s detrimental to our club personally as well as I strongly believe we get -12 again and the 2 year embargo. we shall find out soon which one of us is closer to the truth pal They cant start the embargo again because the club financially has had one year already; agree they could start again with the -12 points but I would sooner take the chance of staying up rather dropping to League 2 and having to get promoted. With a good manager (not I know my onions) and players in place before the pre-season I would fancy our chances for staying up. This season was a joke with only having kids for the first several games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted May 8, 2020 Members Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Spider said: Is it a 51/49 style majority that’s needed? In the prem it’s 14 for a majority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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