Site Supporter Spider Posted November 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, royal white said: Ban knives. Simple đ Ban people. Even simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 Absolute farce these sentences being handed out.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 8, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2022 I watched the sentencing live. Very, very complex case- not least because of interventions from the US government. I get the feeling she knows too much stuff and would never be allowed to serve time in a prison over here. At least she's gone through the courts and Harry's family have got their wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 8, 2022 Moderators Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I watched the sentencing live. Very, very complex case- not least because of interventions from the US government. I get the feeling she knows too much stuff and would never be allowed to serve time in a prison over here. At least she's gone through the courts and Harry's family have got their wish. Have they? It doesn't feel like justice She didn't bother turning up and basically said "I'm sorry, and if it'd help I'll meet you and tell you that face to face"  Anyone over here would get sent down I bet she doesn't even get banned from driving  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 hours ago, royal white said: Absolute farce these sentences being handed out.    Ridiculous isnât it. She even made her statement about her and how she will have to live with it. Diplomatic wankers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, tomski said: Ridiculous isnât it. She even made her statement about her and how she will have to live with it. Diplomatic wankers. Aye. She's so very apologetic, and sends her condolences to the family, etc. - but she can't be arsed being decent and respectful enough to bother turning up in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 8, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2022 32 minutes ago, Zico said: Have they? It doesn't feel like justice She didn't bother turning up and basically said "I'm sorry, and if it'd help I'll meet you and tell you that face to face"  Anyone over here would get sent down I bet she doesn't even get banned from driving  That's not true at all, I suggest you watch the sentencing hearing in its entirety. She has got a custodial sentence, suspended, and been banned from driving. The latter is always a joke as I reckon in such cases the ban should be at least 5 if not 10 years, but that's down to our guidelines. Her people (basically the us government) applied to the judge for her to be sentenced over a video link. In the end, it was granted by the judge. She didn't have to, but agreed to it. Like I said, I saw it live and it was extremely technical. I've no doubt the family would have wanted a longer sentence, but they will have been briefed of the likely range beforehand. For them, having her in court to face proper legal scrutiny was the main aim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 8, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Aye. She's so very apologetic, and sends her condolences to the family, etc. - but she can't be arsed being decent and respectful enough to bother turning up in person. She has already appeared in court here. She pled guilty. This was the sentencing part. It was ultimately the judge's decision not to enforce her return for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Did she not try to avoid any punishment or accountability untill the family forced our government to intervene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: She has already appeared in court here. She pled guilty. This was the sentencing part. It was ultimately the judge's decision not to enforce her return for it. That doesn't really change anything for me. She was being sentenced in court and should've been there to literally face the consequences. If I were in her position, and were as remorseful as she claims to be, I'd have been there out of respect for the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: Did she not try to avoid any punishment or accountability untill the family forced our government to intervene? Basically, yes. She fled the country and refused to return, claiming diplomatic immunity.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 8, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2022 Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said: That doesn't really change anything for me. She was being sentenced in court and should've been there to literally face the consequences. If I were in her position, and were as remorseful as she claims to be, I'd have been there out of respect for the process. OK, but ask yourself this- she turned up once so why not again? The answer was gjven by the judge- the US government, its interventions and the threats already made to her life. Clearly more going on than us as the general public are ever going to be told. She was never going to serve time here neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 She should have served time IMO. The sentence was far too lenient and justice hasn't been served. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 8, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Basically, yes. She fled the country and refused to return, claiming diplomatic  Of course she got out whilst she could, but the immunity thing was challenged in court, again as described by the judge. Folk really should watch the hearing, and not accept as gospel the bits and pieces from the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 8, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Traf said: She should have served time IMO. The sentence was far too lenient and justice hasn't been served. I don't disagree, 8 months is too short. But that's a feature of our sentencing guidelines- they're too lenient- and lots of guilty folk here don't get enough. The sentence for this offence starts at 15 months and goes up to 3 years (iirc what the judge said). Then they take time off or add it according to various factors. That as a whole seems too short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I don't disagree, 8 months is too short. But that's a feature of our sentencing guidelines- they're too lenient- and lots of guilty folk here don't get enough. The sentence for this offence starts at 15 months and goes up to 3 years (iirc what the judge said). Then they take time off or add it according to various factors. That as a whole seems too short. 8 months is a joke, but the fact it was suspended is even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 That base she and her husband were working at is a massive active US communications and intelligence hub, they're both basically spies. No way the US was ever going to let her serve time anywhere but somewhere they could keep tabs on her, if at all. The sentence is a joke, but I don't think it was ever going to be anything other than completely unsatisfactory. I thought Harry Dunn's friend spoke really well outside of court. "They're not our friends..." he said, of the US government. Fair play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 8, 2022 Moderators Share Posted December 8, 2022 48 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: . For them, having her in court to face proper legal scrutiny was the main aim. I've not watched it and won't bother I accept you have and have more insight etc I still don't think she's faced proper legal scrutiny and from the off never has Because of who she is Politics has come before justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 8, 2022 Moderators Share Posted December 8, 2022 As marc says, she is or was a spy No way she was ever going to be locked up and i think its very naive to think she wouldve been allowed to even if she begged the US Govt to let her serve time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, Casino said: As marc says, she is or was a spy No way she was ever going to be locked up and i think its very naive to think she wouldve been allowed to even if she begged the US Govt to let her serve time Iâm sure she pleaded her best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) WTF is wrong with some of these judges and do-Gooders? Â Edited February 28, 2023 by royal white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted March 1, 2023 Members Share Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, royal white said: WTF is wrong with some of these judges and do-Gooders? Â Apparently the Windrush scandal played a large part in swaying the judge. That and an 'intervention' by Naomi Campbell and 67 Labour MP's. The last sentence clarifies what is wrong with these judges and do gooders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 8 hours ago, royal white said: WTF is wrong with some of these judges and do-Gooders? Â There are more important matters than avoiding murder. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, globaldiver said: There are more important matters than avoiding murder. Â So be the law is only correct if it agrees with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 How was the judge supposed to know he was going to murder someone? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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