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I really don’t want to be drawn into it as I’ve no intention of looking into the specifics of the ruling - frankly, I don’t care as I’ve every faith in this management team to be all over whatever we need to do / can do. A couple of things I’d point out though: The ‘latest’ accounts that you’re referring to relate to a period that is now between 24 and 12 months out of date. Not even last season but the one before. Our cost base is likely to be very different and as @jmjhb points out, our revenue next season will be hugely different from last season, never mind compared to the accounts you’re looking at. You’re essentially 2 seasons out of date. Stat accounts never tell the full story. Management accounts will likely be different and more likely to be used to be the basis of the covenants set by this new FFP. Trying to unpick them to align with the ruling is fraught with inconsistency. There is no split in the stats of football / non-football related wages. It’s impossible to decipher. Plus we’ve just got rid of loads of them. Technicalities like treatment of management and coaching staff and where that line is drawn and how loan wages (both out and in) count will never be known to enough detail by anyone outside of those dealing with it in the club. You keep using a term ‘unspent equity’. I’ve no idea what you mean by that but can only come to the conclusion that you mean cash. I appreciate that you’re clearly interested in this side of it and there’s nothing wrong with that, you’ve obviously spent a lot of time looking into it and trying to make sense of it - fair enough, not my idea of time well spent but each to their own. If you’d have set out your understanding of it (with the relevant caveats) and what implications it could have, and have done that once, then I don’t think people would have an issue with it. It’s the fact that it’s said with such conviction, despite the multiple assumptions involved, and then concluded as though you’ve found something that the management of the the club won’t be aware of that is the first annoyance. To then just say it over and over again (I’ve read this same theory at least 10 times over multiple threads), which I can only see is done to try and get the approval and appreciation of others becomes really really tedious. I’ve tried to ignore and just scroll past it but it seems to be everywhere and anywhere. Maybe it’s because there’s sod all else happening but its not the most enjoyable experience having my usual scroll through WW at the moment.

This is in my wheelhouse and it’s still excruciating. Same shit being guessed at using out of date numbers and incomplete understanding of methodologies. Subsequently knocked back in an understated but obvious way by someone who clearly knows more than most, only to be taken as the cue to double down, add more words but ultimately say the same thing again. And any opportunity on any thread to roll it out is duly pounced upon for regurgitation. I can’t even ‘ignore’ as my account doesn’t seem to have that functionality. I can’t wait to be discussing whether we could actually win the league after doing PNE 3-0 on the opening day.

He started typing a post 2 hours ago. Almost finished.

Monumental cricketer and leader, hes going to be a massive miss. Hopefully we dont go back to the days of instructing our number 3 batter to simply bat out 100 balls, scoring optional 🫠🫠

Think its indoors isn't it? Mexico after on their own turf will be an issue if we get through.

First goal achieved. Next.

There's a world cup sub forum lads.

Truth is if you are not laughing , you are not living. Sorry for your mate struggling with cancer , its everywhere with people our age. Enjoy your walks every day out of that garden gate and breathe in the life and enthusiasm of Whitby So many of our big seaside towns are dying

Still pure speculation. If anyone had told you they would have pissed the league last season you would have ( as would I) ssid they had no chance. We dont even know who 75% of our squad will be next season yet ffs.

I have mixed feelings about all this. Before Stokes and "Baz ball" we'd "gone off". Introducing the more flamboyant style produced some remarkable results and big chases. It also saw a great deal of hubris, and a lack of match awareness at times that could have seen the win rate higher. The biggest example being Stokes himself- sometimes extraordinary others almost irresponsible. That comment he made a while back about not being bothered if we lost, so long as we entertained, was a bit of a headscratcher. Needed to find a better way of expressing his feelings. I'd like to see an effective, quality test team that can be expansive when required and dogged also. The pinnacle of the game requires ultimate professionalism and pragmatism. Micheal Vaughan's team was entertaining, winning, aggressive, dogged, showed sportsmanship. Great captaincy and a great team.

That little passage of play today when it went around the ground that he was retiring and then came in to bowl and took the wicket and the reaction of the crowd was absolute classic Stokes. We’ll miss him.

All seems like a massive ‘fuck you’ to Rob Keys and the ECB Dogshit all round frankly

Lincoln were functional rather than inspirational, and that’s at league one level, many of their players ain’t gonna cut it and even worse the mastermind behind it has left.

Yeah, I agree We need quality and numbers and are seemingly heavily restricted on what we can do I'm hoping I've either misread or we have a trick up our sleeve

Liz would have sorted this

Old guy who used to live near me he was called Hartley and was as eccentric as his name . He had a massive garden with loads of trees he hated squirrels with passion. He built his own traps and used to catch loads. He would then gas them in his garage with a pipe attached to the exhaust of a triumph stag. He was a bit of a one off that lad

Thanks for the great memories Stokesy. 👏

You bore! You will no doubt get your wish soon, I’ll be amazed if he’s still around in half an hour or so. But what entertainment. You can bask on here in the next series when this excitement has gone from English cricket

Hope the decision is a good one for him. But, IMO, it’s a shit one for English cricket. I think he’d still have a lot more to give. I mean he’s just done it again, there’s nobody had moments in cricket like he has. Of course there’ll be more, but if he doesn’t break a midnight curfew would he be announcing this today? Hounded out - by whom yet, it’s not quite clear, but IMO certain elements of the press, the ECB hierarchy and social media twerps should be embarrassed by this.

Have they played anyone good?

Not sure how you got to that conclusion at all. Players' wages aren't 98% of revenue; our revenue will go up probably 15M next season (this is before player trading and plumb cup draws) and it's been mentioned they're looking at driving down operating costs. Also I may be wrong here but I don't think loan players count towards wages as the parent club still pay them.

Fwiw in your first paragraph you simply restate my analysis of 2nd June (page 1878 if anyone is interested). As for taking loans rather than being unable to buy players I'm afraid your logic is wrong, as even if we had a massive transfer budget we still could not buy them and will still have to recruit loans instead. The reason being we are limited to a maximum of spend of 85% of revenue on players wages AND transfers paid. In the last published accounts players wages were 98.8% of revenue, we therefore firstly have to manage the wages down to the 85% mark and for every £1m we spend on a transfer fee, we will have to reduce the wages down a further £1m to still comply with this rule. We can't go any lower than the total amount of wages we are legally required to pay as per the remaining players contracts Therefore if we need Championship quality players and we can't reduce the wage bill of players already here on contracts (or sell Randall or anyone else for a million or two) then the only way to achieve that is through loans (or bring through the our next Conway from the reserve team). Maybe some of this seasons loans may include agreement to buy at the end of the twelve months as an inducement to the player and their club he is being loaned from perhaps but the point is we will have to bring loans in whether we want to or not, if we are to comply with the new rules.

What an odd comment. The community next to the Ponderosa is around 60% Spanish, with every type of Scandinavian, Belgians, French, Germans, Dutch, Russians, Baltic staters etc. I drink with them at the local bar wearing my "Vote Brexit" tee shirt.

As an emergency topic, & then I'll stop, I decided to chase Mars about the near 4 year absence of the dark Bounty due to 'operational difficulties' and to their credit they swiftly replied. It's no longer being disguised as operational reasons, which never made sense, but to low demand & there are no plans to start making them again. Bastards. I have a friend who makes them at home & says it's really very easy and takes few ingredients. If anyone's interested I'll try to wrestle the recipe from her. For those who dislike coconut you have my sympathies. I loathe, to the point of mania, cinnamon & would happily start wars to be rid of it.

Job done. I don’t worry about us scoring goals, if anything I think we’ll look more dangerous as we (hopefully) go deeper into the tournament and play again teams who don’t just sit in. Sadly I think our defence will get found out eventually. Just don’t think we’ve got the calibre of player in the country atm in any of the back four positions, so no gripes on who TT did/didn’t select in the squad.

They seek him here. In the province of Los Blanquiazules.

Yes to all. Not running is difficult for a while. Takes some getting used to. Refs need to be sterner with blue cards. We have serial runners over our side. Needs sorting. A worldwide unified set of rules would be good too. What they play here in Spain and at FIFA is very different to what is played in Perth.

Boots Ennis vs Zayas was fucking epic and well worth catching up on

I played this recently definitely youngest one there sort of enjoyed it, sort of didn't difficult not to run some folk definitely had different views as to what constitutes walking

If you can be arsed , pick up the 12 graphic novels . A lot different to the tv series ...much more sex and violence and more satisfying conclusion . Plus all the backstories for the characters , and brutally savage against the Yank government , obviously toned down by a USA TV company funding it .

What time we rioting lads? BBC NewsMen who allegedly helped rapist drug and abuse wife can b...13 men are accused of helping a man abuse his wife over a period of years.

Where’s that Brexit irony-meter?

Like reading a normal BWFC matchday thread this. Good work, you fucking fannies. 👍

Bastard! I was just starting to think that this lad is my number one kindred spirit on WanderersWays. Prepare for excoriation 😉

All bounties should be banned. As indeed should any foodstuff that incorporates coconut.

I think we should ban gearboxes. They just break down eventually anyway. Completely inefficient. You're lucky to get 100,000 miles out of them these days. And even then they require 'frequent servicing'. Yeah alright, whatever! More money making. We need fewer gearbox mechanics fleecing the system! And certainly fewer 'engineers'. They should start doing their jobs properly and design a system which transfers rotational force from one shaft to another while trading off speed and torque according to the gear ratios, with higher speed meaning lower torque and vice versa, that actually work! 😁

Actually, the "too many chiefs" thing is a myth. The NHS has about 3.7% managers in the workforce. That's under half the UK average of 9.5%. And over the past decade they've been one of the slowest growing staff groups. So the numbers aren't the problem. The is waste though. Legacy IT that you've touched on. Systems that were never built to talk to each other, procurement that's a nightmare. When we moved from Bolton CCG to GM ICB, just integrating systems took years and serious money. Add in patients opting out of data sharing which means you need two parallel systems running, and you understand why it's slow and expensive. It's not a too many chiefs problem. Quite the opposite in fact. And cutting management won't fix that either. It just leaves you with fewer people trying to navigate systems that are already complex, which means more things break, which we then have to spend more money fixing. The answer isn't fewer chiefs. It's fixing procurement and legacy tech. But nobody campaigns on that though because it's boring and technical, and because it's an easy cheap shot politically to blame NHS managers. Which people then believe, when it's actually a crock of shite.

That's the difference between you and me Bolty. I understand where my knowledge gaps are. And I understand where I need more information to make an informed decision about something. I also listen to and synthesise other people's ideas and opinions, as well as change mine in response to new evidence or information. On the other hand have a over inflated view of your own competence, have no doubt that you're absolutely right about things you don't really understand very well, selectively pick what you do and don't listen to based on whether that information fits best what your preconceived ideas and see changing your opinion on something over time as some sort of weakness. When in reality it's a strength. Self righteousness Bolty old chap!

Any fucker that gets into your house uninvited and chews through your cables and shits everywhere are fair game in my eyes

Scousers?

ok it's the second time you've said "I know your game J" he's says that's not him maybe it's not but you've gone back with it again if you don't want to play whatever game it is, stop going back for more or a simple "fuck off" will suffice I don't ignore anyone I just skim past stuff I don't want to read it just gets tedious scrolling through your essays, going on about grudges and how you're ignoring them and moving on when clearly your not and then you quoting 12 posts of a conversation to make a point, of which you're probably the only one who is even going to read that post no one wants to read that if folk say they aren't who you think they are, accept it and move on, you can't prove it, no one else cares rein it in

Some main character syndrome there buddy. Do you think this is an improvement to good forum? If you do then crack on.

@athywhite1958 - sorry to hear things have got worse for you pal. Good on you for opening up but can't imagine how tough it must be. I know I'll be speaking for others on here when I say you'd never be fucking burden to anyone on an away day. Pitch side view and skipping all the cues. I'll happily come along with you another time. Always harder for folk who are fiercely independent to let got an take the support. Can understand why you'd be reluctant. But it's there in heaps if you need it.

Indeed. What Test cricket is all about and why the 5 day format for me is still the most fascinating

Charnley was very much the hero of the most notorious story to involve him. As one of Partick’s assorted rogues and rapscallions, presided over by enduringly oddball manager John Lambie (a man who once hurled a dead pigeon at a player, and dropped a medicine ball on Charnley’s head), Chic and teammates were training in Ruchill Park – not-so affectionately known as ‘dogshit park’. The club’s lack of a training ground meant they had to train on whatever loosely-termed greenery they could find, leaving the players open to the occasional interaction with their adoring public. On this particular morning in 1990, they met with a torrent of abuse from some local ne’er do wells. Charnley invited them to take their leave and to come back in an hour if they wanted to continue the ‘conversation’; the duo took him at his word, and returned a short while later with a carving knife, an Alsatian and a samurai sword. At this point, most of the squad wisely took a powder. “I’ll argue with a player all night,” said Lambie, “but I’m not arguing with some fucking nutter with a sword”. Charnley and a couple of teammates however, remained to face down the would-be ronin. When the dog blinked first and scarpered, causing a distraction, Charnley’s mates acted quickly to take down the man with the knife. That left Charnley with the swordsman, and he bravely charged towards him, inexplicably taking a stray traffic cone as a makeshift weapon, only to see a flash of the blade and blood pouring from his hand. That his assailant dropped the weapon in the process allowed Charnley to deliver unto him an absolute pasting and drive him off, but he still bears the scar to this day. Just another day at Partick Thistle.

First game was excellent, although not perfect, with defensive frailties to be addressed. Second game was pants with creative frailties to be addressed. No different to any other major tournament we play in. Two games in and he manager is clueless because he didn't select specific players. We all have ideas about who should have gone, and the manager has to live or die by those decisions, but fucking hell, we're top of the group, in the early stages- give the guy a break ffs.

its fans fault its got to this stage mate, we had mass protests when they announced the super league same should and still needs to happen over this shit, it's destroying the game

finally finished The Boys enjoyed it all the way through happy with how it ended could whiff the anti government sentiment the more it went on 10/10 if you've not seen it you should

Reading this has finally convinced me to listen to her indoors and finally retire at 70, that and visiting yet another pal with terminal cancer lying in bed in a grey room in a hospital. Someone offered to buy Dimron Towers last week and we've had an offer accepted for a modest house near Whitby, so I intend to get a new(ish) dog and enjoy my remaining mobility before Mother Nature takes it off me. Still a bit scary though