Mounts Kipper Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said: I didn't think Barnsley were as alehouse as previously, lost some players and new manager tweaked things a bit. I thought they were more open and gave us more space than last season, we didn't exploit it. Their scope for shithousing was less also with the tweaks in rules. Luton supposedly played that brand of football in getting up, they are making the best fist of staying in the Prem by some way. Luton are great to watch its proper football got bit of everything neat and tidy retain possession very well but can break quickly, go long and mix it up to test teams out against different approaches, while we think we can just play around teams. Edited February 28 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianofcleveleys Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: This encapsulates where we’re at. Evatt sadly doesn’t want to mix it up and that’s a massive blind spot, league one teams can chose to sit deep when they know we’re not going back to front quickly, the best teams do mix it up, Evatt has signed players to play one way and on nights like last night we fall short. Evatt's determination to progress playing the way we do is laudable, and when it works (is allowed to) it's highly entertaining. The issue he has is being totally wedded to it and building the squad (and the personalities, or lack of, in it) totally around it. Teams have gradually worked us out and will either press high and systematically foul us to disrupt us, or sit back and watch us pass ourselves silly in non threatening areas. Evatt gets frustrated with weak officiating (I can understand at times) but he isn't going to bring about the change he wants anytime soon so needs to change himself. At the moment, despite more personnel changes and strong backing from FV, we still beat the same types of teams and struggle against the same types of teams, score the same types of goals, concede the same types of goals. We've been stumbling unconvincingly along for weeks against mediocre sides, and were arguably in a false position before Saturday. I expected nothing else from Saturday and tonight other than no points. I expect none at Barnsley either. That's not pessimism and being a doom monger, it's realism based on what's unfolding in front of my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Biggish Dave said: For me, while we are good enough to beat plenty just by having better players, we have a weakness of being far too predictable especially against smash & grab teams. We've no striker with a physical presence like them 2 at Charlton, Colby Bishop, Lee Gregory last season etc. No midfielder who will drive at a packed defence like Frandsen used to. They must still exist. We also need defenders who value the art of defending more than the art of fannying around. Forester and a fit Johnson can do this, not sure about the rest. Not calling for Evatts head, not by a long way but there are 23 styles to play against, we have to be able to mix it up better Great post exactly how I am. The problem is that it’s counter to what Evatt thinks so it’s very unlikely to happen. What do we do then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 The only stats that count or matter from last night are goals scored vs goals conceded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1969 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, Traf said: The only stats that count or matter from last night are goals scored vs goals conceded. 100% this,hopefully Evatt will finally see this but I won't hold my breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Evatt saying post match that we dominated the ball and dictated the tempo of the game is such a nothing comment. We dictated the tempo because they literally camped in a low block and hoped for a smash and grab, which worked. You simply cannot use that as a positive when there was no intention from the opposition to contest us dictating the tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, Traf said: The only stats that count or matter from last night are goals scored vs goals conceded. Aye we cant play the who cares about performances card on one hand and not the other. We've just been beat by two local rivals and had the life sucked out of us. Winners find a way to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, Mantra said: Evatt saying post match that we dominated the ball and dictated the tempo of the game is such a nothing comment. We dictated the tempo because they literally camped in a low block and hoped for a smash and grab, which worked. You simply cannot use that as a positive when there was no intention from the opposition to contest us dictating the tempo. Both teams had a game plan, theirs worked ours did nt . Evatt makes a real twat of himself sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, ianofcleveleys said: At the moment, despite more personnel changes and strong backing from FV, we still beat the same types of teams and struggle against the same types of teams A good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, Mantra said: Evatt saying post match that we dominated the ball and dictated the tempo of the game is such a nothing comment. We dictated the tempo because they literally camped in a low block and hoped for a smash and grab, which worked. You simply cannot use that as a positive when there was no intention from the opposition to contest us dictating the tempo. He probably waves his cock at possession charts I don't think it will dawn on him that it's a nonsense. He's too far gone and stuck in his ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, Ani said: Both teams had a game plan, theirs worked ours did nt . Evatt makes a real twat of himself sometimes. Since the final whistle last night I've read some fantastic meltdowns on social media. Some really top class stuff. Basically Wigan got lucky with their "game plan". We didn't. On two occasions, when we were in goals scoring opportunities, we took one touch too many and that was that. Opportunity gone. That's the way it goes sometimes. It stings. The match could have easily gone our way. The Post Mortems I've read since last night are mainly hysterical knee-jerk ramblings. Makes you proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 35 minutes ago, Ani said: Both teams had a game plan, theirs worked ours did nt . Evatt is a real twat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: So two defeats totally changes your opinon of Evatt. Calm down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plums Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Ogbeta ( I think! ) squandered two good chances going for glory. He might be getting there position wise, but his decisions cost us last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Personally I don’t believe we should be worried. We were much the better team and a bit of a freak result. Atmosphere was awful (didn’t go) bad away end by all reports. It is infectious on the pitch. Would happily take 2nd now - looking rather likely given the dour nature of the league in general. Stumble over the line, I dont care how we get there just get there if you can. Ha. do not call for Ian Evatts head - he was done a wonderful job and a rather unique playing style. steve Evans being linked and I for one would appreciate such a style of play. take care and enjoy the bumps in the season m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 How many shots did our frontline have last night................Zero, None, fuck all Theres our problem, play it wide cross low, gets cut out repeat its slow, tedious and will win fuck all wake up and smell the coffee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 20 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said: So two defeats totally changes your opinon of Evatt. Calm down. Did I say something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 One of the saddest weeks in the clubs history. something has got to give. mutl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 7 minutes ago, Mutley said: One of the saddest weeks in the clubs history. something has got to give. mutl Bloody hell, what a short memory. Got to be joking, surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 56 minutes ago, Underpants said: Since the final whistle last night I've read some fantastic meltdowns on social media. Some really top class stuff. Basically Wigan got lucky with their "game plan". We didn't. On two occasions, when we were in goals scoring opportunities, we took one touch too many and that was that. Opportunity gone. That's the way it goes sometimes. It stings. The match could have easily gone our way. The Post Mortems I've read since last night are mainly hysterical knee-jerk ramblings. Makes you proud. I wouldn’t say knee jerking ramblings myself I’ve been very consistent with my views on IE and our performances like I mentioned last night for me we haven’t been the same since Portsmouth away that result really hit us imo, take a few cup games & Carlisle away and we’ve been very fortunate and lucky in games but now it’s running out we now must find the type of performances which we had sept & October time and see this job out otherwise a very promising season could u turn very quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 We dictated the tempo.. the tempo was fucking shite from minute one. 2 or 3 occasions Sheehan actually walked forward 5 yards with the ball at his feet!! as is always the case the tempo / urgency only increased when we fell behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 14 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said: Bloody hell, what a short memory. Got to be joking, surely. Ignore him. He needs more practice as a WUM.... jeep.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted February 28 Site Supporter Share Posted February 28 33 minutes ago, masi 51 said: How many shots did our frontline have last night................Zero, None, fuck all Theres our problem, play it wide cross low, gets cut out repeat its slow, tedious and will win fuck all wake up and smell the coffee I must be looking at the wrong League table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted February 28 Site Supporter Share Posted February 28 58 minutes ago, Plums said: Ogbeta ( I think! ) squandered two good chances going for glory. He might be getting there position wise, but his decisions cost us last night. Needs a preseason really to learn our ways... .. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: I must be looking at the wrong League table. Thats the thing. Promotion is going to be won and lost in the big games. As it was last season. We fell short in the big games and it ultimately cost us. This season has been no different. Theres not a hope in hell we have the balls to go to Derby or Barnsley and get a result. Play offs will be de-ja-vu. We just cant handle the pressure and as much as I like Evatt and back him, his ingame management is highly questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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