The way the newspapers are reporting it is very funny. It's like we have forgotten the last decade.

The only "change" that will make any effect is to get rid of Westminster altogether. They all spout off about change then go there and lose touch in the bubble... for example Robot Reeves with her cold decision and Starmer with his free loading.

We need to sell the Houses of Parliament to Disney or Alton Towers and build a new fit for purpose building in the Midlands, probably near the NEC with attached living quarters that go with the job of being a Member of Parliament and cap their "bonuses"

22 minutes ago, Dimron said:

The only "change" that will make any effect is to get rid of Westminster altogether. They all spout off about change then go there and lose touch in the bubble... for example Robot Reeves with her cold decision and Starmer with his free loading.

We need to sell the Houses of Parliament to Disney or Alton Towers and build a new fit for purpose building in the Midlands, probably near the NEC with attached living quarters that go with the job of being a Member of Parliament and cap their "bonuses"

Whilst this post is a bit bonkers, more power into local hands isn't 

36 minutes ago, Dimron said:

The only "change" that will make any effect is to get rid of Westminster altogether. They all spout off about change then go there and lose touch in the bubble... for example Robot Reeves with her cold decision and Starmer with his free loading.

We need to sell the Houses of Parliament to Disney or Alton Towers and build a new fit for purpose building in the Midlands, probably near the NEC with attached living quarters that go with the job of being a Member of Parliament and cap their "bonuses"

Not much wrong here

Not bonkers at all... we need to stop the pantomime politics... The Houses of Parliament are knackered and could become a really good tourist money spinner. 

If you are a serious politician then you would embrace a centralised purpose built "in the round" building with accompanying living  quarters and offices so that you can get on with the job.

I could understand entitled snobs attempting to govern but we now appear to be getting upwardly mobile snobs who are the worst kind

8 hours ago, Sweep said:

Will Starmer and his mob be any better?, who knows, but we did need a change. If they're shit, then they'll only do the one term.

Very likely. Having said that, in these times of over populated world turmoil, is it likely any government will be other than shit - at least to 33-65% of voters?

The question is, who will each party screw? One side targets militant union troublemakers, the other shivering pensioners. 

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

Well I'm pretty happy so far. 

Lets face it. You'd made your mind up before they got into power and there's nothing they could do that would make you change that point of view is there? 😁

This is completely false. I made my mind up about the rank hypocrisy of socialism at Christmas time in 1978.

You are correct in that nothing they could do could make me change my point of view. Everything I have witnessed since in various places around the globe has reinforced that view.

If you are going to be fucked over, rather by someone looking you in the eye and telling you what they are about to do rather than some cunt pretending to be a friend and stabbing you in the back.

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

Sadly, I suspect he'd love Labour to fail, so he can say "I told you so" - it's a bit miserable, surely, to want your country to fail to try and prove a point

Doesn't even come into it. I know what will happen. I have witnessed this over and over again - both there and here. There are reasons conservative parties have been winning machines. A large part being the ineptitude and hypocrisy of their main opposition.

How does the UK fail if a political party does not live up to the expectations of the gullible? Hasn't happened yet and there have been plenty of failures. Foundations are too strong mate - built by forefathers who now get their statues either defaced or toppled by water cannon fodder scumbags.

I won't need to prove any points. It will be you and others who are eager to get rid of them in the not too distant future.

2 hours ago, Zico said:

Especially when it boils down to an attempt to "equalise" in terms of the previous governments failure

"As bad as the last lot were, I hope the next ones are worse"

Basically

Nope. Completely wrong.

'Equalising' is not even worth considering. The reds will always be a few hundred behind. 

8 hours ago, Dimron said:

Not bonkers at all... we need to stop the pantomime politics... The Houses of Parliament are knackered and could become a really good tourist money spinner. 

If you are a serious politician then you would embrace a centralised purpose built "in the round" building with accompanying living  quarters and offices so that you can get on with the job.

I could understand entitled snobs attempting to govern but we now appear to be getting upwardly mobile snobs who are the worst kind

@birch-chorleypeddled this for donkeys years and you are both correct.

Get proper people in and pay proper salaries and get the very best calibre of people in to politics and running the country.

The calibre of folk we get at the bottom end of politics is truly awful and the bozos are running our local councils.

 

 

34 minutes ago, gonzo said:

@birch-chorleypeddled this for donkeys years and you are both correct.

Get proper people in and pay proper salaries and get the very best calibre of people in to politics and running the country.

The calibre of folk we get at the bottom end of politics is truly awful and the bozos are running our local councils.

 

 

Correct. In London you get paid more as a newly qualified solicitor (25 years old) than you do as an MP. At some firms, NQs get paid more than the prime minister.

It's not about pay. The idea that you give more money (on an already pretty well paid salary) for a public service job to get 'the best people' feeds into the daft narrative that wages are inextricably linked to those who are the most talented or brightest. Which, we know is nonsense.

More decentralisation absolutely - but they fact you are asking folk to be ministers with or without protfolios and also local MPs is insane. That does need to change. Cabinet reshuffles to be limited so people have to stay ina position, more professionalisation of the civil service ar grade A and above to stop the flow of generalists beyond communications and law, those changes would make more of a difference that just chucking money around.

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

This is completely false. I made my mind up about the rank hypocrisy of socialism at Christmas time in 1978.

You are correct in that nothing they could do could make me change my point of view. Everything I have witnessed since in various places around the globe has reinforced that view.

If you are going to be fucked over, rather by someone looking you in the eye and telling you what they are about to do rather than some cunt pretending to be a friend and stabbing you in the back.

So before they got into power then? So not completely false? 😁

18 minutes ago, kent_white said:

So before they got into power then? So not completely false? 😁

To be fair, some will never vote Tory for similar ideological reasons. The criticism of the government on here at the moment is very mild compared to the normally Labour friendly media and within the party itself. It hasn’t been a good start 

25 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

To be fair, some will never vote Tory for similar ideological reasons. The criticism of the government on here at the moment is very mild compared to the normally Labour friendly media and within the party itself. It hasn’t been a good start 

Normally Labour friendly media? I am not sure I follow?

10 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

I won't need to prove any points. It will be you and others who are eager to get rid of them in the not too distant future.

I probably won't, as there's a good chance I won't be living in the UK shortly, so it'll be nothing to do with me 😊

They've already lost my "tax take" not long, hopefully until my residency as well

32 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

To be fair, some will never vote Tory for similar ideological reasons. The criticism of the government on here at the moment is very mild compared to the normally Labour friendly media and within the party itself. It hasn’t been a good start 

Labour friendly media. 😁😁
 

 

18 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I probably won't, as there's a good chance I won't be living in the UK shortly, so it'll be nothing to do with me 😊

They've already lost my "tax take" not long, hopefully until my residency as well

Still going to Rwanda

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/19/the-guardian-view-on-10-downing-street-labour-risks-losing-the-plot
 

If the Guardian isn’t ’Labour friendly I don’t know what is. How about Socialist Worker. 
 

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/tuc-congress-delegates-slam-labour-move-to-steal-winter-fuel-payment/

 

28 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Normally Labour friendly media? I am not sure I follow?

Yeah that's jumped the shark.

52 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

To be fair, some will never vote Tory for similar ideological reasons. The criticism of the government on here at the moment is very mild compared to the normally Labour friendly media and within the party itself. It hasn’t been a good start 

It's so strange how we can look at the same world but see two completely alternate realities? 😁

Although I agree that some people will always remain entrenched. Even Bolty has said there's literally nothing the Labour party could ever do to change his mind. So it's the equivalent of trying to talk to a religious person with blind faith. Literally nothing will ever change their mind - which makes arguing pointless. Sorry if I'm misquoting you here Bolty - but that's what I think you said. 

I'm the same with this government as I am with all new governments. Clean slate - making a judgment as I go and wishing them every success until they've proved their not worthy of the office. 

The winter fuel payment is something that we could debate - as I'm still undecided. But I've been broadly supportive of everything else what they've attempted so far (that I've heard about). 

 

31 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I probably won't, as there's a good chance I won't be living in the UK shortly, so it'll be nothing to do with me 😊

They've already lost my "tax take" not long, hopefully until my residency as well

It's Croatia isn't it?

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/19/the-guardian-view-on-10-downing-street-labour-risks-losing-the-plot
 

If the Guardian isn’t ’Labour friendly I don’t know what is. How about Socialist Worker. 
 

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/tuc-congress-delegates-slam-labour-move-to-steal-winter-fuel-payment/

 

The socialist worker? Deary me. That's not been Labour friendly for a good long while, regardless of the fact you're citing it as an example of a media narrative 🙄 

To say that the 'the media' are Labour friendly is guff, given who owns vast swathes of it, even taking out social media.

9 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/19/the-guardian-view-on-10-downing-street-labour-risks-losing-the-plot
 

If the Guardian isn’t ’Labour friendly I don’t know what is. How about Socialist Worker. 
 

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/tuc-congress-delegates-slam-labour-move-to-steal-winter-fuel-payment/

 

Ah - I thought you were trying to say that the media in general was 'Labour friendly'. 

The Guardian maybe. I don't think you could argue that the Socialist Worker would be while someone like KS is in charge?

Plus there's only about 3 people that read it. Or about 100,000 if you count right wingers posting stories to it on football forums! 😁

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It's so strange how we can look at the same world but see two completely alternate realities? 😁

Although I agree that some people will always remain entrenched. Even Bolty has said there's literally nothing the Labour party could ever do to change his mind. So it's the equivalent of trying to talk to a religious person with blind faith. Literally nothing will ever change their mind - which makes arguing pointless. Sorry if I'm misquoting you here Bolty - but that's what I think you said. 

 

 

Don't apologise. You are correct. It's governed by life experiences. I have had no good ones with Labour governments, trade unions and a melange of leftie twats from protestors to door knockers to newsreaders.

Plenty of good ones with a blue influence.