Politics

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Ridiculous country

It's a wonder anything ever gets built at all

 

[Sweep]

it's no surprise - we 're just so incredibly shit at anything infrastructure related these days, which is a shame, as we (allegedly) used to be world class

[Sweep]

Having a tough old time is Starmer, he's now as unpopular as Farage, apparently, I'll bet he didn't see that coming a few weeks ago 

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Sir Keir Starmer is now as unpopular as Reform UK leader Nigel Farage, the latest opinion polling has suggested.

Some 60% of people now hold an unfavourable opinion of the Labour Party, according to pollsters at YouGov, just three months after it swept to power with a landslide majority at the general election.

Sir Keir’s net favourability ratings have dropped to minus 36 with the British public, while Mr Farage is at minus 35.

 

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Having a tough old time is Starmer, he's now as unpopular as Farage, apparently, I'll bet he didn't see that coming a few weeks ago 

He was never popular when he was voted in as leader - one of the lowest ratings of any incoming PM. Hardly maters at the moment as there's a very long time until the next election.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

To be fair, he's never been well liked

People voted to get rid of one of our worst ever Governments rather than for Starmer and his cabinet

[Traf]

Life isn't a popularity contest, I'm sure he'll get over it.

[Sweep]

22 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

He was never popular when he was voted in as leader - one of the lowest ratings of any incoming PM. Hardly maters at the moment as there's a very long time until the next election.

Indeed, my point was that he's now as popular as that absolute cretin Farage, which is a bit shit. You're right, he wasn't popular prior to the election, he didn't need to be popular, all he needed to be was "not a Conservative" and that was almost enough

Come the next election, nobody will remember this winter fuel allowance debacle, so it's good that they're doing it now I suppose - I know some are getting bent out of shape about the tax increases in the upcoming budget (even though none have been announced yet), but again, nobody will remember them in 4 or 5 years time, so they may as well get them out of the way now

[Winchester White]

55 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Ridiculous country

It's a wonder anything ever gets built at all

 

I was listening to someone on the radio recently about the stupid costs in this country for large building projects. He said it was down to a lack of in house expertise in all departments involved. Everything is now done by the private sector and their costs have skyrocketed over the last decade or more.

Dunno if it is true but questions have to be asked why.

[mickbrown]

Folk treating it like a popularity contest was the reason we got that prick Johnson. That went well eh?

[bolty58]

50 minutes ago, Sweep said:

that absolute cretin is now as popular as Nigel Farage, which is a bit shit.

 

[Sweep]

31 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Folk treating it like a popularity contest was the reason we got that prick Johnson. That went well eh?

but he had funny hair and he was a real eccentric (To think, people actually believed that, and didn't realise it's all just an act)

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

I was listening to someone on the radio recently about the stupid costs in this country for large building projects.

prob more for town centre thread but i had a convo witha guy itk on the church wharf project

we really are fantastic

[Tonge moor green jacket]

36 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

 

Earthquake in the vote for Tory leadership. 

Cleverly out.

Incredible shift.

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Earthquake in the vote for Tory leadership. 

Cleverly out.

Incredible shift.

On the radio earlier of the final two, they seemed to think that whilst Badenoch would be better "for business" she would be favourite if they were still in power, as they're not they seemed to think Jenrick would be getting the gig as he's going to be better as an opposition leader. 

[boltonboris]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

To be fair, he's never been well liked

People voted to get rid of one of our worst ever Governments rather than for Starmer and his cabinet

For me, it was get the party that you want into power, then push for the leader you want to lead it. 
But such is the way with UK governments that it’s about them, not the party and not the country. He won’t be going anywhere anytime soon, without a huge scandal 

[jmjhb]

39 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Earthquake in the vote for Tory leadership. 

Cleverly out.

Incredible shift.

This is probably good news for Labour

[Winchester White]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

On the radio earlier of the final two, they seemed to think that whilst Badenoch would be better "for business" she would be favourite if they were still in power, as they're not they seemed to think Jenrick would be getting the gig as he's going to be better as an opposition leader. 

What a choice for the membership. Then again last time they made Truss PM so fuck'em.

[Not in Crawley]

4 hours ago, Sweep said:

Indeed, my point was that he's now as popular as that absolute cretin Farage, which is a bit shit. You're right, he wasn't popular prior to the election, he didn't need to be popular, all he needed to be was "not a Conservative" and that was almost enough

Come the next election, nobody will remember this winter fuel allowance debacle, so it's good that they're doing it now I suppose - I know some are getting bent out of shape about the tax increases in the upcoming budget (even though none have been announced yet), but again, nobody will remember them in 4 or 5 years time, so they may as well get them out of the way now

Well, had a meeting with a longstanding client who has been a member of the Conservative Party for many many years and regularly donates. He was having such a good laugh at my expense regarding the winter fuel announcement botch up, and he's dead against the non doms tax. So he had a bet with me Starmer wouldn't be leading the Labour Party into the next election.

And then came the Cleverly announcement whilst we had coffee and he looked grim faced. Couldn't believe he now has no choice as wouldn't ever vote for Badenoch because "everytime she opens her mouth more stupid shit just pours out." So I had a bet with him that whoever wins this leadership contest won't be leading the Tories into the next election.

[Dimron]

6 hours ago, Sweep said:

it's no surprise - we 're just so incredibly shit at anything infrastructure related these days, which is a shame, as we (allegedly) used to be world class

We were, it’s cultural.

No proper apprenticeships any more as we have relied too heavily on imported labour and British parents think that working on construction sites is a “failure”.

There are too many youngsters wanting to be managers without earning their spurs because idiot teachers told them they can do anything they like in life. You cannot manage a big job and expect a balanced “family life” like a call centre worker… it is all about living the job and enjoying the criach with your colleagues.

When I started out (M55 Blackpool, M62 Queens Drive, M67 Hyde by-pass) the older contracts managers were gods and we all respected their knowledge, now I am in that position the youngsters don’t listen to us because we don’t spend our working day emailing, whatsapping and having pointless meetings… we’re more interested in getting the job done right and if necessary giving out bollockings to get things done… you need to see my HR record!

The lunatics really have taken over the asylum, it took me 17 years to get my Chartered status, my new MD was a site labourer less than 10 years ago and is illiterate. This is today’s construction industry.

[Traf]

4 hours ago, Winchester White said:

What a choice for the membership. Then again last time they made Truss PM so fuck'em.

Then, after Truss fucked up, they gave the job to the guy who couldn't beat her in a vote.

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Earthquake in the vote for Tory leadership. 

Cleverly out.

Incredible shift.

Good news. 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Dimron said:

We were, it’s cultural.

No proper apprenticeships any more as we have relied too heavily on imported labour and British parents think that working on construction sites is a “failure”.

There are too many youngsters wanting to be managers without earning their spurs because idiot teachers told them they can do anything they like in life. You cannot manage a big job and expect a balanced “family life” like a call centre worker… it is all about living the job and enjoying the criach with your colleagues.

When I started out (M55 Blackpool, M62 Queens Drive, M67 Hyde by-pass) the older contracts managers were gods and we all respected their knowledge, now I am in that position the youngsters don’t listen to us because we don’t spend our working day emailing, whatsapping and having pointless meetings… we’re more interested in getting the job done right and if necessary giving out bollockings to get things done… you need to see my HR record!

The lunatics really have taken over the asylum, it took me 17 years to get my Chartered status, my new MD was a site labourer less than 10 years ago and is illiterate. This is today’s construction industry.

There is so much right with this that I won't bother highlighting bits.

'Progressive' is the word they use. Fucking imbeciles. Discarding, ignoring or just being too fucking stupid to recognise when something is as near to perfect as you are likely to find just because it is deemed 'old fashioned' is, well, fucking stupid.

[Not in Crawley]

It's true, we don't build stuff because older blokes can't shout at people and WhatsApp.

[gonzo]

It just cost my council £1m to install a footbridge over a new duel carriageway way that according to the last annual survey 8 people cross per year. 

[Dimron]

9 hours ago, gonzo said:

It just cost my council £1m to install a footbridge over a new duel carriageway way that according to the last annual survey 8 people cross per year. 

You’re in Blackpool? I’ll tell you a story that illustrates my case.

Back in winter 1975/76 I was a sprog and was “volun-told” to set out and keep an eye on two bridges we were putting over the Palatine… no one else fancied it as it was night works etc.

From my first evening I could see the height of the tram power cables was higher than what was detailed on the drawings but I thought “nowt to do with me, someone else’s problem and I need to get back and go on the piss on Churchgate with my mates”.

The bridges got built and at the company’s expense we had to go back later raise the bridges. I got a minor bollocking but the Chief Engineer got a major.

I was 19 years old and I have obviously now learned… they are all doing it now… these days the youngsters think as long as they send an email or whatsapp it no longer has anything to do with them.

But it has everything to do with everyone… the job has to come first. This is why we are now so crap at infrastructure.