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That was one of the loveliest things to ever happen. Stood in my garden sobbing like a baby! Proud to work for the NHS 👏👏👏👏❤️

My uncle lost his battle to this in Royal Bolton this morning, so he will be one of today’s numbers.  last rites over the phone held by a nurse with no family there. made an exception yester

I’ve sat with my mum who is slipping away, literally breathing her last today. She idolises the Queen, and whilst she didn’t in all likelihood hear that, I know she would have loved every single

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4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Was standing in a room with 30 kids not mentioned in the interview?

Bet you heard the bit about 15 weeks off every year 💣

In a pandemic and not a covid safevwork environment.  

Rules don't apply to teaching though. 

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Had a letter through the door from the ONS

Offering everyone in our house £400 each to take part in a survey.

Covid swab each -  once a week for 4 weeks, followed by one a month for 11 months.

Anyone else had it?

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1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

In a pandemic and not a covid safevwork environment.  

Rules don't apply to teaching though. 

I was being a little bit cheeky.

Full of admiration for the efforts teachers are making, can’t be easy right now.

Medals all round if you can keep the schools running until this is all over.

👍👍👍

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18 minutes ago, Spider said:

Had a letter through the door from the ONS

Offering everyone in our house £400 each to take part in a survey.

Covid swab each -  once a week for 4 weeks, followed by one a month for 11 months.

Anyone else had it?

Girl at works doing that.. she kept quiet about the payment though:p 

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1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

Girl at works doing that.. she kept quiet about the payment though:p 

Yes but I lost the fucking cover sheet and it has a code on it for your household. Some dumb shite on the phone couldn't help me so transferred me to their support line. That cut me off after 5 mins of waiting.

Ah well.

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17 minutes ago, Spider said:

I was being a little bit cheeky.

Full of admiration for the efforts teachers are making, can’t be easy right now.

Medals all round if you can keep the schools running until this is all over.

👍👍👍

Honestly its grim atm. Its a cracking job and I only have to work 40 weeks a year, but atm it's not the job it should be.

 

Typical classroom has to have a marked off teacher zone at the front, which teachers teach from.. issue is that in schools there isn't enough room for this.. so at times I'm less than 2m from students for an hour.. no masks in a closed room..

Hearing about a lot of teachers who have tested positive having spent 6 months shielding:( 

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1 hour ago, Spider said:

Had a letter through the door from the ONS

Offering everyone in our house £400 each to take part in a survey.

Covid swab each -  once a week for 4 weeks, followed by one a month for 11 months.

Anyone else had it?

In laws started a week or two back. Hope father in law especially doesn't get it, because he might not finish the survey.

52 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Honestly its grim atm. Its a cracking job and I only have to work 40 weeks a year, but atm it's not the job it should be.

 

Typical classroom has to have a marked off teacher zone at the front, which teachers teach from.. issue is that in schools there isn't enough room for this.. so at times I'm less than 2m from students for an hour.. no masks in a closed room..

Hearing about a lot of teachers who have tested positive having spent 6 months shielding:( 

To he honest, in your shoes, I'd put a mask on.

Be interesting to see if any head would try and discipline a teacher doing so.

If everyone in shops now has to wear one, then class rooms shouldn't really be so different. 

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10 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

Jules, sorry If I came across as pompous.

You haven't been very vocal on here about this until now.

A couple of days ago you posted that article from lockdownsceptics. lockdown sceptics is very politically motivated.

I've posted loads of stuff on here and I've tried to keep politics out of it as best I can, as I think it clouds the water. 

If you want to know - I'm against a lot of the stuff the government have done, and pro a lot of the stuff the government have done.

I have a very strong opinion when it comes to science, especailly when it concerns the health, wellbeing and livelehood of everyone I know.

I can't stand people twisting science for political gain, for clicks, to sell books, for notoriety. 

I like raw data, presented without bias, so if anyone posts stuff on here that appears politically motivated and bends the truth for non scientific reasons, I'm going to challenge it.

That doesn't mean I think your'e stupid. It means I don't believe what you've posted to be true. Normally I wouldn't give a shit, but I do with this.

My advice was supposed to highlight that you've posted 2 links from  publications that have articles about false negatives, and they take a  alternate views.

If you, nor I, are as well researched as the authors,  how do we know which one is correct?

In this case, one of them is wrong, the other is correct. This isn't a case of differing opinion, it's whoevers maths is most accurate.

I've come across this situation loads of times, so what I do is try to take my information from sources that are open to challenge, that don't appear to be politically motivated, who disclose conflicts of interest before they tell you anything (because it makes me trust them more), from guys who have a long track record, who show that they are willing to change point of view if the science changes - Toby Young and his mates don't fit any of the criteria, so I discount what they say before even reading it.  

 

 

 

 

You know what I’m sorry, that was harsh. Apologies. I deal with data, a lot and I felt like you were telling us how to suck eggs. 

Let me be clear; I do not deny corona for one second; nor do I believe that certain measures are not sensible.

My overarching view is that there will be more illness, misery and death of the measures are disproportionate to the risk.

I also post thought pieces from SME’s. Doesn’t mean they are gospel nor that I believe they are, but they are worthy of debate. Take the open letter I posted; you and Tom scoffed because of who tweeted it, ignoring the calibre of authors and signatories of the letter; whilst simultaneously going with the govt’s SME’s on the subject, who by experience are probably equals to those. The only difference being the govt’s lot have been chosen to represent them. You seem to back them as having “no skin on the game”; we’ve seen recently in the news that’s not true.

My frustration is linked to Gonzo’s post; any critique of the measures and you are seen as a krank who doesn’t believe in it at all...see TomBWFC’s post for a perfect example.

Not believing rates of extrapolation or the level of threat “relative” to other threats, or the knock on effects of trying to slow it down,  is absolutely not to deny it exists as a threat at all.

Also, places where you can’t criticise govt produced data aren’t the best examples of society!

As for me becoming vocal recently; the latest measures have only just come in, which piqued my interest. 

🤷🏽‍♂️
 

Anyway sorry for being grumpy x

 

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19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In laws started a week or two back. Hope father in law especially doesn't get it, because he might not finish the survey.

To he honest, in your shoes, I'd put a mask on.

Be interesting to see if any head would try and discipline a teacher doing so.

If everyone in shops now has to wear one, then class rooms shouldn't really be so different. 

Kids can't understand what I'm saying with a mask or face shield. The head wouldnt have a problem with the face shields but they're not that nice to work in. 

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15 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Kids can't understand what I'm saying with a mask or face shield. The head wouldnt have a problem with the face shields but they're not that nice to work in. 

Has it been tried then?

I was unsure when I first started going in shops wearing one. Not one person has struggled to understand what I was saying. Ok your room may well be larger.

I suppose the other option then, is that the kids wear them all the time.

Something has to give if teachers are dropping regularly with the virus. May as well all be back doing on line learning. 

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18 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Kids can't understand what I'm saying with a mask or face shield. The head wouldnt have a problem with the face shields but they're not that nice to work in. 

Brain surgeons always seem to be able to communicate with the nurses during operations.
On a more mundane level, I manage every day with my customers. 
They’re not very nice to work in but these are not very nice times.

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29 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Kids can't understand what I'm saying with a mask or face shield. The head wouldnt have a problem with the face shields but they're not that nice to work in. 

 

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Has it been tried then?

I was unsure when I first started going in shops wearing one. Not one person has struggled to understand what I was saying. Ok your room may well be larger.

I suppose the other option then, is that the kids wear them all the time.

Something has to give if teachers are dropping regularly with the virus. May as well all be back doing on line learning. 

 

4 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Brain surgeons always seem to be able to communicate with the nurses during operations.
On a more mundane level, I manage every day with my customers. 
They’re not very nice to work in but these are not very nice times.

Cast your mind back to when we were school kids. 
 

A teacher wearing a mask, for whatever reason, would get told, “Sorry sir, can’t understand what you’re saying.”

That’s irrespective of whether or not we could hear what he’s saying. It’s all part of them being kids and you being a teacher.

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2 hours ago, Spider said:

Had a letter through the door from the ONS

Offering everyone in our house £400 each to take part in a survey.

Covid swab each -  once a week for 4 weeks, followed by one a month for 11 months.

Anyone else had it?

No - but I know some people that have. Paid in vouchers I believe - but free moment nonetheless!

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3 minutes ago, MickyD said:

 

 

Cast your mind back to when we were school kids. 
 

A teacher wearing a mask, for whatever reason, would get told, “Sorry sir, can’t understand what you’re saying.”

That’s irrespective of whether or not we could hear what he’s saying. It’s all part of them being kids and you being a teacher.

Yes, but we live in an era where the kids are right, tea hers wrong.  It does muffle the sound and talking in a mask and projecting your voice creates a nice moist mask. 

The dfe have stated they dont want teachers wearing masks. 

However atm it feels like we are just facilitating childcare as it's certainly not teaching as it should be :(

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Just now, only1swanny said:

Yes, but we live in an era where the kids are right, tea hers wrong.  It does muffle the sound and talking in a mask and projecting your voice creates a nice moist mask. 

The dfe have stated they dont want teachers wearing masks. 

However atm it feels like we are just facilitating childcare as it's certainly not teaching as it should be :(

New mask every different lesson and tell the DfE to fuck off unless it’s them in front of 30 kids.

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27 minutes ago, MickyD said:

New mask every different lesson and tell the DfE to fuck off unless it’s them in front of 30 kids.

But surely the advice to wear masks is to stop you spreading it if you have it.

That was my understanding, they do little to prevent you catching it.

Or have I missed something and this has now changed?

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42 minutes ago, MickyD said:

 

 

Cast your mind back to when we were school kids. 
 

A teacher wearing a mask, for whatever reason, would get told, “Sorry sir, can’t understand what you’re saying.”

That’s irrespective of whether or not we could hear what he’s saying. It’s all part of them being kids and you being a teacher.

I’ve cast my mind back and I can’t remember a crisis like this when I was at school. I’d like to think that we would have all worked together (pupils and teachers) to get through this. 
Whimsical maybe but that’s what’s needed now. It’s their future.

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2 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Honestly its grim atm. Its a cracking job and I only have to work 40 weeks a year, but atm it's not the job it should be.

 

Typical classroom has to have a marked off teacher zone at the front, which teachers teach from.. issue is that in schools there isn't enough room for this.. so at times I'm less than 2m from students for an hour.. no masks in a closed room..

Hearing about a lot of teachers who have tested positive having spent 6 months shielding:( 

Some sympathy with you but all the teachers I know / access are fucking about and have been breaking rules all over. All whilst on a full wage

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1 hour ago, MickyD said:

 

 

Cast your mind back to when we were school kids. 
 

A teacher wearing a mask, for whatever reason, would get told, “Sorry sir, can’t understand what you’re saying.”

That’s irrespective of whether or not we could hear what he’s saying. It’s all part of them being kids and you being a teacher.

You might have done. Many wouldn't. 

If a pandemic of this nature required us all to wear a mask and shut the fuck up whilst someone was talking then so be it.

Quite Frankly, under the present circumstances, if a kid acts the twat, he or she should just be fucked off back home. 

Swanny shouldn't be baby sitting covidiots.

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12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You might have done. Many wouldn't. 

If a pandemic of this nature required us all to wear a mask and shut the fuck up whilst someone was talking then so be it.

Quite Frankly, under the present circumstances, if a kid acts the twat, he or she should just be fucked off back home. 

Swanny shouldn't be baby sitting covidiots.

Remember, I wasn’t at school during a pandemic but I really can’t see that the type of kid who dicked about way back in the mid 70s is much different that the same kind of kid now. Too immature to realise that he only gets one chance of a decent education.

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4 hours ago, Spider said:

Had a letter through the door from the ONS

Offering everyone in our house £400 each to take part in a survey.

Covid swab each -  once a week for 4 weeks, followed by one a month for 11 months.

Anyone else had it?

That's so they'll have your DNA, and can track you for the rest of your life via 5G

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