captainmed Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Popeye doyle said: Based on what exactly? Attendances primarily. Big history, Clough factor & Div 1 winners. Ask 100 people with any football knowledge, who is the biggest club in L1, 90%+ will say Derby County. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 15 Moderators Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Popeye doyle said: Based on what exactly? WUMing no more, no less 'some distance' arf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, captainmed said: Attendances primarily. Big history, Clough factor & Div 1 winners. Ask 100 people with any football knowledge, who is the biggest club in L1, 90%+ will say Derby County. Aye I've got them bigger. Not by much but definitely bigger. In the Sheff Weds and Sunderland bracket for me. One level above us in the big club status pyramid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 By some distance is a bit fanciful. Probably are bigger for winning the league. Not even close to us in my life time though We both deserve to be in division 3 because we are. Chance to readdress come April obvs. No inferiority complex or lack of respect from me. Get into em Bolton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye doyle Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, captainmed said: Attendances primarily. Big history, Clough factor & Div 1 winners. Ask 100 people with any football knowledge, who is the biggest club in L1, 90%+ will say Derby County. Seasons in top flight Derby 61 Bolton 71 FA cup final appearances Derby 4 Bolton 7 League cup final appearances Derby 0 Bolton 2 its all down to opinion but Derby and Bolton are similar to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted March 15 Members Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, little whitt said: Bolton 5-0 @200-1 Don't waste your money. 5 goals though. Derby County 2 Bolton Wanderers 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 15 Site Supporter Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, tomski said: By some distance is a bit fanciful. Probably are bigger for winning the league. Not even close to us in my life time though We both deserve to be in division 3 because we are. Chance to readdress come April obvs. No inferiority complex or lack of respect from me. Get into em Bolton. This. The rest is purely fluff for discussion. Means nowt in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, bolty58 said: Don't waste your money. 5 goals though. Derby County 2 Bolton Wanderers 3. gone for Bolton 3-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Farrelli said: I would take a draw. Hopefully we give Derby a proper game but we do have a habit of not turning up for these types of games. If we draw at Derby, some fans will probably be OK about it at first. "We're still in it" "Still another 7 games to go" "Derby are sure to drop points at some stage" etc etc But we'll be still a point behind them then and also behind Posh on GD if they win their game in hand so there will be 3 teams ahead of us - and only 7 games from the end of the regular season. Pompey are probably too far ahead to be caught - but we'd still have to beat them whilst the others have theoretically easier games. Posh we can do something about when we play them at their place and we'd still have to beat them. But we wouldn't be able to lay a glove on Derby - it would be in their hands and out of ours. There is no doubt in my mind that a draw would suit them far better than it would suit us. We need to get into the box seat and stay there rather than banking on our rivals dropping points. Must win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 From the Derby fans' site: Posted yesterday at 12:58 On 14/03/2024 at 12:38, Rambalin said: The Ref is MARC EDWARDS.......21 games this season and 92 yellow cards and one red......on his 12 league one games he has shown 50 yellows. We're undefeated under this ref: Morecambe, November 2022 - 1-1. The ref awarded us 2 penalties and both were saved. Oxford, March 2023 - 3-2 win Bolton have won 2, drawn 3 and lost 1. 1 penalty awarded for and 1 against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, barrycowdrill said: Us win and Posh and pompey draw is the ideal scenario yes that would keep posh in the mix but I’d still much rather have 5 going at 2 spots than 4 going for 1 and Pompey be away in the distance whether we finish as 1st or 2nd I couldn’t really care as long as we’re in those spots But with Posh, Barnsley, ourselves and Derby still to play Pompey wouldn’t it be better for Pompey to win those, other than ours obviously, to push the others further back. I take your point about 5 or 4 against us but surely if Pompey take points off them all it can only help us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said: But with Posh, Barnsley, ourselves and Derby still to play Pompey wouldn’t it be better for Pompey to win those, other than ours obviously, to push the others further back. I take your point about 5 or 4 against us but surely if Pompey take points off them all it can only help us? Depends if your just settling for 2nd I suppose.. many twists and turns yet and I know everyone will be saying the same but we win ours and I think there’s enough results going to go against the others we’ll be very close to the top spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 15 Site Supporter Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said: But with Posh, Barnsley, ourselves and Derby still to play Pompey wouldn’t it be better for Pompey to win those, other than ours obviously, to push the others further back. I take your point about 5 or 4 against us but surely if Pompey take points off them all it can only help us? This is what I was saying the other day. Two ways of looking at things; let Pompey win them, and take second. None of us would complain at finishing second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 If Pompey lose tomorrow they are not going up automatically- they still have us, Barnsley, Derby to play plus Lincoln away who are finishing so well. we need at least a draw tomorrow but a win would be massive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostock Whites Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Popeye doyle said: Seasons in top flight Derby 61 Bolton 71 FA cup final appearances Derby 4 Bolton 7 League cup final appearances Derby 0 Bolton 2 its all down to opinion but Derby and Bolton are similar to me. Completely agree, can't argue with the facts. Derby do average more supporters but they're a city in the middle of virtually nowhere and we're a town in the north west surrounded by some of the world's biggest football clubs, and yet still average 21,000. We've spent more seasons in the top flight than them, we've spent more years in the Premier League, we have won more major trophies and also been in Europe much more recently. I'd personally say us Pompey and Derby are by far the biggest and most successful clubs in the league. You could give us an edge on the purposes of being a much longer top flight team. Ironically us and Derby were the first ever league game in English football, where former Wanderer Kenny Davenport scored the first ever goal in the League system. Hoping for a better result than that day however as we lost 6-3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, BeeversLeftPeg said: Bang on the money. We've scored more than any other side in the opening 15 minutes this season. And Derby have only conceded 4 in the opening half hour. We are the only side to have scored more than the opposition in every 15 minute segment of the 90! Not sure what to conclude from that, but interesting stats. Can you come back with all the injury time stats please! Stopping it at 90 minutes probably doesn't account for about 10% of each game. A 90th minute winner never seems as late now as it used to do, without knowing how long was added on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Popeye doyle said: Based on what exactly? Population size of course. That’s a real measure of a football team. The rest is window dressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: This. The rest is purely fluff for discussion. Means nowt in reality. Well no, bit I and many like the conversation. Just a bit of fun innit. Sure we've all got clubs in bands of size in our heads. I've got us in the West Brom/Stoke/Ipswich/Norwich type section along with probably Leicester/Blackburn/Burnley. Your Prestons and Blackpools one below and your Derby and Wolves one slightly above us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 15 Moderators Share Posted March 15 Just now, gonzo said: Well no, bit I and many like the conversation. Just a bit of fun innit. Sure we've all got clubs in bands of size in our heads. I've got us in the West Brom/Stoke/Ipswich/Norwich type section along with probably Leicester/Blackburn/Burnley. Your Prestons and Blackpools one below and your Derby and Wolves one slightly above us. aye personally struggling with Derby as in if who is bigger they do have league titles and they do average good crowds but we done more PL than them I'm calling it a draw, but if I was them I'd say it was them, becuase they won the league and were famous for doing so with Clough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakey Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 35 minutes ago, Lostock Whites said: Completely agree, can't argue with the facts. Derby do average more supporters but they're a city in the middle of virtually nowhere and we're a town in the north west surrounded by some of the world's biggest football clubs, and yet still average 21,000. Ironically us and Derby were the first ever league game in English football, where former Wanderer Kenny Davenport scored the first ever goal in the League system. Bob on - they've got the 2 Nottingham, Mansfield and Burton within a 20 mile radius. No comparison. We don't make enough of Kenny Davenport's opening goal - the first goal in league football anywhere in the world. Scored in Bolton, for Bolton, by a Boltonian. Nobody can ever beat that record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 14/03/2024 at 11:41, tomski said: Right this seemed to work for Tuesday. Let’s discuss, Do we need new wing backs ? And I said I’d follow up about our record here. It’s surely our time, this time? Just like we said twice this season against Blackpool… 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 47 minutes ago, gonzo said: Well no, bit I and many like the conversation. Just a bit of fun innit. Sure we've all got clubs in bands of size in our heads. I've got us in the West Brom/Stoke/Ipswich/Norwich type section along with probably Leicester/Blackburn/Burnley. Your Prestons and Blackpools one below and your Derby and Wolves one slightly above us. I'm only basing this on crowd size, not history, trophies, years in top flight etc. But all those clubs you say we are level with - we are below them all for crowd size, except Blackburn and Burnley who we are above. PNE & Blackpool too as you say. Norwich especially - never have a spare seat whatever division they are in, and WBA, Stoke, Ipswich, Leicester have always had bigger crowds than us in my time unless we've been top flight and they haven't. Derby and Wolves the same. The 2 Sheffield clubs in same bracket. No shame in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted March 15 Site Supporter Share Posted March 15 (edited) According to this excel table I've just done using data from europeanfootballstatistics.co.uk, we're 33rd in the Football League in terms of attendance this season. Second highest in League 1. I haven't bothered including League 2. # Club Ave Att (K) League 1 Manchester United 73.514 Premier League 2 West Ham United FC 62.467 Premier League 3 Tottenham Hotspur FC 61.58 Premier League 4 Arsenal FC 60.169 Premier League 5 Manchester City FC 53.304 Premier League 6 Newcastle United FC 52.134 Premier League 7 Liverpool FC 52.079 Premier League 8 Aston Villa FC 41.387 Premier League 9 Sunderland AFC 40.851 Championship 10 Chelsea FC 39.72 Premier League 11 Everton FC 39.086 Premier League 12 Leeds United FC 35.894 Championship 13 Brighton & Hove Albion FC 31.604 Premier League 14 Wolverhampton Wanderers 31.39 Premier League 15 Leicester City FC 31.188 Championship 16 Sheffield United FC 30.694 Premier League 17 Nottingham Forest FC 29.289 Premier League 18 Southampton FC 29.2 Championship 19 Ipswich Town FC 28.82 Championship 20 Middlesbrough FC 26.891 Championship 21 Derby County FC 26.356 League 1 22 Norwich City FC 25.979 Championship 23 Sheffield Wednesday FC 25.886 Championship 24 Crystal Palace FC 24.902 Premier League 25 Coventry City FC 24.847 Championship 26 Fulham FC 24.243 Premier League 27 West Bromwich Albion FC 23.67 Championship 28 Bristol City FC 22.599 Championship 29 Stoke City FC 22.277 Championship 30 Cardiff City FC 21.525 Championship 31 Burnley FC 21.499 Premier League 32 Hull City AFC 21.478 Championship 33 Bolton Wanderers FC 20.884 League 1 34 Birmingham City FC 20.096 Championship 35 Huddersfield Town AFC 18.772 Championship 36 Watford FC 18.602 Championship 37 Portsmouth FC 18.212 League 1 38 Brentford FC 17.057 Premier League 39 Preston North End FC 16.594 Championship 40 Queens Park Rangers FC 16.462 Championship 41 Millwall FC 16.419 Championship 42 Plymouth Argyle FC 16.322 Championship 43 Swansea City AFC 16.269 Championship 44 Blackburn Rovers FC 15.701 Championship 45 Charlton Athletic FC 13.155 League 1 46 Reading FC 12.16 League 1 47 Barnsley FC 11.913 League 1 48 AFC Bournemouth 11.043 Premier League 49 Luton Town FC 10.922 Premier League 50 Rotherham United FC 10.672 Championship 51 Blackpool FC 10.558 League 1 52 Wigan Athletic FC 10.01 League 1 53 Oxford United FC 9.16 League 1 54 Peterborough United FC 8.774 League 1 55 Leyton Orient FC 8.335 League 1 56 Carlisle United FC 8.229 League 1 57 Lincoln City FC 8.107 League 1 58 Bristol Rovers FC 8.041 League 1 59 Port Vale FC 7.323 League 1 60 Northampton Town FC 6.801 League 1 61 Exeter City FC 6.709 League 1 62 Cambridge United FC 6.436 League 1 63 Shrewsbury Town FC 6.399 League 1 64 Wycombe Wanderers FC 4.894 League 1 65 Stevenage FC 4.815 League 1 66 Cheltenham Town FC 4.436 League 1 67 Fleetwood Town FC 3.385 League 1 68 Burton Albion FC 3.309 League 1 Edited March 15 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, Cheese said: According to this excel table I've just done using data from europeanfootballstatistics.co.uk, we're 33rd in the Football League in terms of attendance this season. Second highest in League 1. I haven't bothered including League 2. # Club Ave Att (K) League 1 Manchester United 73.514 Premier League 2 West Ham United FC 62.467 Premier League 3 Tottenham Hotspur FC 61.58 Premier League 4 Arsenal FC 60.169 Premier League 5 Manchester City FC 53.304 Premier League 6 Newcastle United FC 52.134 Premier League 7 Liverpool FC 52.079 Premier League 8 Aston Villa FC 41.387 Premier League 9 Sunderland AFC 40.851 Championship 10 Chelsea FC 39.72 Premier League 11 Everton FC 39.086 Premier League 12 Leeds United FC 35.894 Championship 13 Brighton & Hove Albion FC 31.604 Premier League 14 Wolverhampton Wanderers 31.39 Premier League 15 Leicester City FC 31.188 Championship 16 Sheffield United FC 30.694 Premier League 17 Nottingham Forest FC 29.289 Premier League 18 Southampton FC 29.2 Championship 19 Ipswich Town FC 28.82 Championship 20 Middlesbrough FC 26.891 Championship 21 Derby County FC 26.356 League 1 22 Norwich City FC 25.979 Championship 23 Sheffield Wednesday FC 25.886 Championship 24 Crystal Palace FC 24.902 Premier League 25 Coventry City FC 24.847 Championship 26 Fulham FC 24.243 Premier League 27 West Bromwich Albion FC 23.67 Championship 28 Bristol City FC 22.599 Championship 29 Stoke City FC 22.277 Championship 30 Cardiff City FC 21.525 Championship 31 Burnley FC 21.499 Premier League 32 Hull City AFC 21.478 Championship 33 Bolton Wanderers FC 20.884 League 1 34 Birmingham City FC 20.096 Championship 35 Huddersfield Town AFC 18.772 Championship 36 Watford FC 18.602 Championship 37 Portsmouth FC 18.212 League 1 38 Brentford FC 17.057 Premier League 39 Preston North End FC 16.594 Championship 40 Queens Park Rangers FC 16.462 Championship 41 Millwall FC 16.419 Championship 42 Plymouth Argyle FC 16.322 Championship 43 Swansea City AFC 16.269 Championship 44 Blackburn Rovers FC 15.701 Championship 45 Charlton Athletic FC 13.155 League 1 46 Reading FC 12.16 League 1 47 Barnsley FC 11.913 League 1 48 AFC Bournemouth 11.043 Premier League 49 Luton Town FC 10.922 Premier League 50 Rotherham United FC 10.672 Championship 51 Blackpool FC 10.558 League 1 52 Wigan Athletic FC 10.01 League 1 53 Oxford United FC 9.16 League 1 54 Peterborough United FC 8.774 League 1 55 Leyton Orient FC 8.335 League 1 56 Carlisle United FC 8.229 League 1 57 Lincoln City FC 8.107 League 1 58 Bristol Rovers FC 8.041 League 1 59 Port Vale FC 7.323 League 1 60 Northampton Town FC 6.801 League 1 61 Exeter City FC 6.709 League 1 62 Cambridge United FC 6.436 League 1 63 Shrewsbury Town FC 6.399 League 1 64 Wycombe Wanderers FC 4.894 League 1 65 Stevenage FC 4.815 League 1 66 Cheltenham Town FC 4.436 League 1 67 Fleetwood Town FC 3.385 League 1 68 Burton Albion FC 3.309 League 1 Is it not all a bit pointless when so many teams fill their grounds but are hampered by the stadium's capacity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted March 15 Site Supporter Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, DazBob said: Is it not all a bit pointless when so many teams fill their grounds but are hampered by the stadium's capacity? Absolutely fucking pointless. I don't give the slightest fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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