Mounts Kipper Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/exclusive-manchester-suicide-bomber-used-student-loan-benefits/ No wonder countries fucked paying them benefits and student loans to blow up our kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoe Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Explain to me why he is a radical muslim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 You need to ask the poster of the video on YouTube I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/exclusive-manchester-suicide-bomber-used-student-loan-benefits/ No wonder countries fucked paying them benefits and student loans to blow up our kids. He was British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I've never read such idiotic statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I've never read such idiotic statements. Do you not read through your own posts prior to posting then? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Explain to me why he is a radical muslim? Beard. Having a read on line and the video is a fake. There is an American version doing the rounds and on that the little guy in the Chelsea gillet and shades is played by the Diff'rent Strokes guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I think he'd argue that had we not intervened in the middle east - then the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to flourish wouldn't exist - ergo attacks like the ones on the Coptic Christians would be less likely. He'd argue being the point He's trying to make out that this was all down to Iraq and he was right all along - which is completely naive really It's as if Islamic terrorism started as a result of that and the Middle East was a bed of roses before that point. For all we know it could of been a much bigger shit storm had we not done anything, it's just second guesses He carries on as if all the terrorism before Iraq didn't happen, The Lockerbie bomb, 9/11, Kenyan Embassy - he must have missed those We didn't invade Syria and that's now the biggest pile of shit in the region I'm not sure how he would plan to 'change foreign policy' but I'd assume he's just talking about appeasement. Not sure how easy it is to appease Assad when he's using chemical weapons on his own people mind. Don't think not helping the likes of Iraq next time the government there ask us to help them with military power to get rid of ISIS as they did a couple of years back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) He was British. I know that, but being British is more than just being born here don't you think? The point is he was known to the authorities dropped out of university but took out university loan was living on benefits and travelling back and forth to Libya, surely alarm bells must have been ringing and if he can afford to keep flying to Libya what was the need for benefits? Taking the piss out of the good will of UK and it's people really rankles with me how much money have we dished out to him and the like who hate our way of life yet see nothing wrong with biting the hand that feeds them. Edited May 27, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 He'd argue being the point He's trying to make out that this was all down to Iraq and he was right all along - which is completely naive really It's as if Islamic terrorism started as a result of that and the Middle East was a bed of roses before that point. For all we know it could of been a much bigger shit storm had we not done anything, it's just second guesses He carries on as if all the terrorism before Iraq didn't happen, The Lockerbie bomb, 9/11, Kenyan Embassy - he must have missed those We didn't invade Syria and that's now the biggest pile of shit in the region I'm not sure how he would plan to 'change foreign policy' but I'd assume he's just talking about appeasement. Not sure how easy it is to appease Assad when he's using chemical weapons on his own people mind. Don't think not helping the likes of Iraq next time the government there ask us to help them with military power to get rid of ISIS as they did a couple of years back Anyone who thinks that dropping bombs on those countries didn't have a huge impact is naive. As usual there isn't one thing to blame but multiple contributory factors. One of those has been ours and other Western countries foreign policies over the past 50 years. We've funded lots of these groups. And then tried to sort problems out with bombs and soldiers and simply made it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoe Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 You need to ask the poster of the video on YouTube I guess I presumed by posting it they were in agreement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I presumed by posting it they were in agreement Well you presumed wrong. Just thought it was an interesting debate, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Boris calling Corbyn 'monstrous' for saying exactly the same as Boris said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 He I've never read such idiotic statements. Crawley, I'd be very interested in your views on the post I put up re the British Muslim female on Question Time and on Wahhabism. I'm asking as many experts point to this as proximate cause. The Muslim CPS guy on Question Time also agreed it was a major problem. I've friends in the armed forces, political historians, many Muslim friends and media folk. Would you agree their ideology is a major problem and existed way before our involvement ? Research in depth and see how their wealth has contributed to many problematics areas way before our ur involvement once again. I'll put the kettle on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I see they slaughtered more innocents earlier, namely the Coptic Christians in Egypt. Who will corbyn blame for that ? The middle East and North Africa is a basket case. But can you honestly say that British intervention has played no part ? We rushed in behind the USA to displace leaders in Libya and Iraq without any plan on who would fill the vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Someone has already said you do not end up in such a position due to one thing. Our foreign policy has contributed to this that is a fact. However it is also a fact that lots of other factors have contributed. Changing our foreign policy now wont solve things. But I am not sure anything can solve the position we are now in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Anyone who thinks that dropping bombs on those countries didn't have a huge impact is naive. As usual there isn't one thing to blame but multiple contributory factors. One of those has been ours and other Western countries foreign policies over the past 50 years. We've funded lots of these groups. And then tried to sort problems out with bombs and soldiers and simply made it worse. Correct. It is hypocritical to pretend otherwise. I think the internet has played a massive part also, that should not be under estimated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I don't think the Manchester bomber gave two tiny fucks about our foreign policy. His hatred of our society and his twisted beliefs probably had more to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 The middle East and North Africa is a basket case. But can you honestly say that British intervention has played no part ? We rushed in behind the USA to displace leaders in Libya and Iraq without any plan on who would fill the vacuum. Aye, I've said a few pages ago that our intervention in several conflicts has contributed without doubt. As I said then, we should leave them to it and use the resources to safeguard our own country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I don't think the Manchester bomber gave two tiny fucks about our foreign policy. His hatred of our society and his twisted beliefs probably had more to do with it. Yes but his father helped radicalise him and he has been fighting in Libya. Anyway, very little can be achieved by poring over the reasons behind this terrible act. We all know it will be a long hard road ahead but something we have to fight together, whichever political party we are affiliated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I don't think the Manchester bomber gave two tiny fucks about our foreign policy. I'd be willing to put my mortgage on that not being the case. I'd imagine foreign policy was right up there on his list of 'reasons to despise the infidels'. The deranged little shitbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Will it work or not ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40061550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabism wahhabismWhat do you want, a fucking medal? Someone on telly has shared your view and you've not stopped tickling your own bollocks since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 27, 2017 Author Site Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2017 I don't think the Manchester bomber gave two tiny fucks about our foreign policy. His hatred of our society and his twisted beliefs probably had more to do with it. Correct. In simple terms, it stems from jealousy at our freedoms and the success they have brought. They stare out from their dusty shitholes and fucking hate the fact our democratic way of life and our progression have worked, whilst their obsession with a fucking 1500 year old book and inability to liberalise holds them back. I'm talking about the extremists here. The moderate Muslims seem able to have a successful society that goes hand in hand with their beliefs. Worth remembering that ISIS kills way more Muslims than non-Muslims. And for the same reason. Green eyes. Thick cunts, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Was Charlie Hebdo or Theo Van gough to do with foreign policy? They'll use any excuse to murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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