Coronavirus

[Cheese]

Our place has designed, manufactured, and installed "Thermal Screening" cameras at a few building entrances. As you walk past, you see yourself on a screen, and a little green square appears around your face with your body temperature displayed above it. One lad wanted to see what would happen if it detected a high temperature, so he tested it by walking past with a cup of tea next to his face - an alarm went off, and it sent a photo of him to the Operations Manager. 🤣 

[royal white]

22 minutes ago, Rudy said:

She tells me a lot 

👏🏻👏🏻😂

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Our place has designed, manufactured, and installed "Thermal Screening" cameras at a few building entrances. As you walk past, you see yourself on a screen, and a little green square appears around your face with your body temperature displayed above it. One lad wanted to see what would happen if it detected a high temperature, so he tested it by walking past with a cup of tea next to his face - an alarm went off, and it sent a photo of him to the Operations Manager. 🤣 

We’ve the same sort of set up. Where we scan our passes it now has a temp check and if it’s over 38 it won’t activate your pass and a buzzer goes off and you’re punted from the premises and pass taken off you til you can provide a negative test we are advised. 

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Our place has designed, manufactured, and installed "Thermal Screening" cameras at a few building entrances. As you walk past, you see yourself on a screen, and a little green square appears around your face with your body temperature displayed above it. One lad wanted to see what would happen if it detected a high temperature, so he tested it by walking past with a cup of tea next to his face - an alarm went off, and it sent a photo of him to the Operations Manager. 🤣 

I'm working with a few companies designing similar, as I look after a range of thermal imaging sensors. Proper boom time at the minute for that type of product. A few companies are finding ways of hiding them inside other products (such as light fittings and door frames) so your temperature and movement can be detected all over the workplace. They'll also be able to detect "human occupancy" as well, to see how long and how many people are in a lift or the canteen (and also how many and how long people are taking for fag breaks). Everybody I've spoken to about it says theyre great for detecting temperature, but moving forward, they'll be used to monitor movement, especially when they sort the algorithm that can detect each person's individual heat/temperature signature.

[birch-chorley]

6 hours ago, ZicoKelly said:

genuine question - what would a collapsed health system look like? how is it defined?

they had bodies piling up in hospitals and were driving them down south en masse to chuck in open graves if I remember right, because they couldn't cope with the volume of dead people

I don’t know either, the way the government made it sound back in March was that we needed to protect the NHS so folk weren’t dying in the Car Park. I’m not sure if you would say Bergamo collapsed or not but 1 things for sure with 57% antibody positive they got close to herd immunity 

Dont forget they didn’t have a clue what had hit them either 

If they were to do it again now but were able to shield the vulnerable (which are the ones that ended up in the pile of bodies) you’d imagine they would be in much better shape. Add to that additional capacity in hospitals, better treatments, more ventilators and the picture would likely be very different. If the population was also taking measures that don’t impact the economy (masks, wfh if you can, distancing in public spaces etc) you’d bring the R number down from what they had in March to something lower that would again reduce the flow through the door of A&E 

I was all for saving the NHS in March as they weren’t prepared, they have had 6 months to get prepared. We now need a strategy that doesn’t stop businesses operating in order to protect jobs 

The vulnerable groups need to go back to shielding themselves in order to save millions of jobs and the U.K. economy 

All just my opinion of course 

[only1swanny]

14 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I don’t know either, the way the government made it sound back in March was that we needed to protect the NHS so folk weren’t dying in the Car Park. I’m not sure if you would say Bergamo collapsed or not but 1 things for sure with 57% antibody positive they got close to herd immunity 

Dont forget they didn’t have a clue what had hit them either 

If they were to do it again now but were able to shield the vulnerable (which are the ones that ended up in the pile of bodies) you’d imagine they would be in much better shape. Add to that additional capacity in hospitals, better treatments, more ventilators and the picture would likely be very different. If the population was also taking measures that don’t impact the economy (masks, wfh if you can, distancing in public spaces etc) you’d bring the R number down from what they had in March to something lower that would again reduce the flow through the door of A&E 

I was all for saving the NHS in March as they weren’t prepared, they have had 6 months to get prepared. We now need a strategy that doesn’t stop businesses operating in order to protect jobs 

The vulnerable groups need to go back to shielding themselves in order to save millions of jobs and the U.K. economy 

All just my opinion of course 

Most schools closed during the week before lockdown started as vulnerable staff were told to isolate. 

A disproportionate amount of school staff have underlying health issues. We barely had enough staff to run a single year group, let alone 5. 

There would be no way that schools could remain open. 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

A disproportionate amount of school staff have underlying health issues.

More than in any other profession? - if so, why would that be I wonder

[only1swanny]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

More than in any other profession? - if so, why would that be I wonder

Maybe it's not higher, it's just that you can't really teach from home whilst kids are on site and that the staff no longer on site was more noticable?

 

 

[Casino]

20 minutes ago, Sweep said:

More than in any other profession? - if so, why would that be I wonder

Cos in any other job, theyd be deemed wasters and fucked off?

[Casino]

two kids at a local school had tests

Turned up at school while awaiting results

Sent home immediately school found out but if they come back positive, thats two classes at home for a fortnight

Why are people so fucking stupid

[Zico]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

I don’t know either, the way the government made it sound back in March was that we needed to protect the NHS so folk weren’t dying in the Car Park. I’m not sure if you would say Bergamo collapsed or not but 1 things for sure with 57% antibody positive they got close to herd immunity 

Dont forget they didn’t have a clue what had hit them either 

If they were to do it again now but were able to shield the vulnerable (which are the ones that ended up in the pile of bodies) you’d imagine they would be in much better shape. Add to that additional capacity in hospitals, better treatments, more ventilators and the picture would likely be very different. If the population was also taking measures that don’t impact the economy (masks, wfh if you can, distancing in public spaces etc) you’d bring the R number down from what they had in March to something lower that would again reduce the flow through the door of A&E 

I was all for saving the NHS in March as they weren’t prepared, they have had 6 months to get prepared. We now need a strategy that doesn’t stop businesses operating in order to protect jobs 

The vulnerable groups need to go back to shielding themselves in order to save millions of jobs and the U.K. economy 

All just my opinion of course 

Generally I agree

Though my opinion has been swayed today because someone close to me, who's had our best efforts to be shielded has had to go to hospital and ended up catching it

It's easy to say protect the vulnerable, but this experience suggests it's not easy

If the virus is allowed to spread it will infect and potentially kill

I'm not staying shut everything down either

But the numbers need to come down

Something has to give

Or we just accept people will die, which is fine, till it's potentially someone we know

And that wouldn't be so bad if we could spend time with them before they do

Whilst those looking after the vulnerable have to watch another one slip away

It can't be good for their mental health

We can't keep chucking loads of cases at them to look after

But i could do with earning more than i have been doing for the last six months

"It's a paradox yer daft cow"

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by ZicoKelly

[stevieb]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

I'm working with a few companies designing similar, as I look after a range of thermal imaging sensors. Proper boom time at the minute for that type of product. A few companies are finding ways of hiding them inside other products (such as light fittings and door frames) so your temperature and movement can be detected all over the workplace. They'll also be able to detect "human occupancy" as well, to see how long and how many people are in a lift or the canteen (and also how many and how long people are taking for fag breaks). Everybody I've spoken to about it says theyre great for detecting temperature, but moving forward, they'll be used to monitor movement, especially when they sort the algorithm that can detect each person's individual heat/temperature signature.

I know you've had it but take that away... do you not think that sounds fucking mental? 

If someone suggested that's how you'd be monitored at work in November last year we'd call them a tinfoiler. 

I've been sat in my bedroom WFH since march so non of it concerns me yet. Until I'm made redundant obvs 

 

[wiggy]

36 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Though my opinion has been swayed today because someone close to me, who's had our best efforts to be shielded has had to go to hospital and ended up catching it

Sorry to hear this Zico. Fingers crossed for them. 

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, wiggy said:

Sorry to hear this Zico. Fingers crossed for them. 

She's one of those old dears that has wanted to die anyway for the last ten years 

91 and still smokes several superkings a day

Beat pneumonia last year

Wouldn't surprise me if she beat this

But my mrs and her aunt can't bear the thought of her dying alone

Had a face time call with her and her nurse earlier

It was the nurse i felt sorry for (and my mrs and her aunt obviously)

Bur this is our first experience of it, and probably not the nurses

Edited October 8, 2020 by ZicoKelly

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

I'm working with a few companies designing similar, as I look after a range of thermal imaging sensors. Proper boom time at the minute for that type of product. A few companies are finding ways of hiding them inside other products (such as light fittings and door frames) so your temperature and movement can be detected all over the workplace. They'll also be able to detect "human occupancy" as well, to see how long and how many people are in a lift or the canteen (and also how many and how long people are taking for fag breaks). Everybody I've spoken to about it says theyre great for detecting temperature, but moving forward, they'll be used to monitor movement, especially when they sort the algorithm that can detect each person's individual heat/temperature signature.

Bring. It. Fucking. On.

Fat Janet hanging around the communal fridge. We always knew it was you nicking Nigel’s tuna butties and sticking your pinkie in everyone’s yoghurt to decide which one to steal.

Big Brother has you now

[Tombwfc]

There aren't any easy answers. But I'm not sure how the 'lock up the old people and crack on' plan works alongside this.

https://www.rcem.ac.uk/RCEM/News/News_2020/RCEM_issues_urgent_warning_as_hospitals_near_capacity.aspx

[radcliffe white]

Be a crazy weekend one last blow out 

[gonzo]

7 hours ago, Sweep said:

More than in any other profession? - if so, why would that be I wonder

When youre self employed, underlying health issues seem to vanish.

Funny that.

[gonzo]

5 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

There aren't any easy answers. But I'm not sure how the 'lock up the old people and crack on' plan works alongside this.

https://www.rcem.ac.uk/RCEM/News/News_2020/RCEM_issues_urgent_warning_as_hospitals_near_capacity.aspx

Theres plenty of old folk and vunerable people still shielding from march.

The partial care homes I clean only allowed visitors a couple of weeks ago now, now thats coming to an end. 

Id wager most of them wouldnt want the rest of the country to crash and burn on their behalf. 

Theres no end in sight for this. Let the young take the hit. 

[birch-chorley]

6 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

There aren't any easy answers. But I'm not sure how the 'lock up the old people and crack on' plan works alongside this.

https://www.rcem.ac.uk/RCEM/News/News_2020/RCEM_issues_urgent_warning_as_hospitals_near_capacity.aspx

I’d like to know what % of the 285 people on ventilators are from the vulnerable groups? 

If it’s a lot then surely it could support the idea of ‘locking up the oldies’ (asking the vulnerable groups to shield once more) 

Back in March we asked these groups to take additional measures above and beyond the rest of us by shielding (to protect the NHS). Not sure why that’s not on the table now? 

Before shutting down the leisure industry and sending millions of workers home to rely on state support, it feels (to me anyway) like we could have at least asked those in the vulnerable groups to instead avoid these places first. If pubs and restaurants are that bad for transmission of Covid that they need closing then why on Earth are we not telling the vulnerable to avoid them as a starting point? 

My Nan and Grandad are both in these groups, they spent August eating in the Morrison’s Cafe as it was 50% off and cheaper than buying food. From Monday it will be too dangerous for anyone to go in there, yet today we can all go in, no matter what are chances of requiring hospital treatment if we get Covid 

Madness 

Edited October 9, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Sweep]

7 hours ago, stevieb said:

I know you've had it but take that away... do you not think that sounds fucking mental? 

If someone suggested that's how you'd be monitored at work in November last year we'd call them a tinfoiler. 

I've been sat in my bedroom WFH since march so non of it concerns me yet. Until I'm made redundant obvs 

 

There are all sorts of monitoring events happening, even with WFH. Every now and then, I'll see a little pop up appear on my laptop, and it'll be IT coming into update something or load some new software on, so clearly they can monitor what I'm doing

Our latest thing is that if you're logged into the server and/or operating system and you don't perform a key stroke for more than 15 minutes, then you get booted out - again, whilst we're not being monitored.........I'm sure we are. Fortunately, I don't actually work within the system, so it doesn't bother me too much

As I mentioned the other week, were now allowed to finish half day in a Friday, which we never did before, the reason being is that everybody is generally getting their work done now they WFH, we've become far more productive, rather than having 20 minute chats in the coffee room, or nipping down for a mini table football tournament (I know....fuck knows why they put that in the canteen), also 2 or 3 of the slappers on the sales desk nipping out for a ciggie together and not coming back for about half an hour. WFH has worked well for us, although some have asekd to go back to the office which they have....and they're now the one's who aren't getting through their work

[Spider]

Masks work, think the science proves that beyond doubt.

Therefore, if you can’t wear one or a visor, you get put in the vulnerable group and you shield.

No fucking about. 

 

[wiggy]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Masks work, think the science proves that beyond doubt.

Therefore, if you can’t wear one or a visor, you get put in the vulnerable group and you shield.

No fucking about. 

 

So anyone claiming exemption from wearing masks over the last 6 months is automatically classed as vulnerable? Hard to to argue with that isn’t it? But plenty will!

[Casino]

Average age of a covid death...82

[Farrelli]

19 minutes ago, Casino said:

Average age of a covid death...82

Plenty of younger people are suffering from 'long' covid which can leave you with serious life changing conditions.