Meanwhile In England

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

The setting fir to a hotel housing asylum seekers (whilst also blocking an exit) is a pretty unequivocal example of attempted murder

The people responsible should be sent down for a very long time

[burnden]

 

[Sweep]

47 minutes ago, burnden said:

Who is that?

 

45 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Hardly fair to out them is it?

 

But they'll be fucking loving this.

He will, but he'll be absolutely steaming pissed as usual so may not be fully aware of what's going on. He'll post at about 1am,with one of his usual incoherent drunken rants

[Dimron]

Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Blimey

The tensions have existed for far longer than that

We lived in Walthamstow in 1982 and remember the NF planning a "demonstration"... I actually had a loaded 4-10 behind  the front door

[Ani]

22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Where on earth did you get that from?

Maybe reform were the only ones actually offering to do something about it?

Maybe no one else would even go near the subject?

Had the previous lot got their act together and sorted it, they would have walked the election.

If the new lot don't, they will lose the next election, and the likes of reform will be more heavily represented. 

I went back and changed top ten

it was 4th most important issue 

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49594-general-election-2024-what-are-the-most-important-issues-for-voters

[Tonge moor green jacket]

20 minutes ago, Zico said:

Islamaphobia didn't exist before 9/11

 

I think that was such a monumental event, that it certainly increased the focus by the west on their own countries.

The levels of folk arriving have continued to rise too.

[Ani]

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

We literally left the EU because of immigration 

Posted the link mate, it was the 4th most important. Not the biggest. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

I went back and changed top ten

it was 4th most important issue 

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49594-general-election-2024-what-are-the-most-important-issues-for-voters

I don't think it's right to view it strictly as an immigration issue

[paulhanley]

Shocking scenes. Undoubtedly the far-right are involved. They want locking up.

Many, many people in this country have very legitimate and deeply held concerns about immigration. The vast majority are not out on the streets indulging in mindless violence and do not have "far-right" or racist views. These rioters are doing their cause no favours. Nor have the equivalent social disorder problems in other countries in recent times, notably the Republic of Ireland.

I hope the Government recognises that people who have views on immigration are entitled to do so and do not use this reprehensible behaviour to brush those views aide as somehow minority/fringe/extremist. 

 

[wanderer1984]

9 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

MEANWHILE on Derby street...

 

Where are the police??

https://twitter.com/tony91701344/status/1820126854000566351/video/2

Scared to cause offence ... Only white folk can be racist.

[royal white]

I wonder what he wanted to say? 
 

 

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I don't think it's right to view it strictly as an immigration issue

I do not think I do.

I do think that certain people who are rioting have convinced themselves that it is to blame for everything however. 
 

Was good on BBC now that they acknowledged that Bolton was calm till the 'locals' turned up. 

[only1swanny]

Just now, wanderer1984 said:

Scared to cause offence ... Only white folk can be racist.

just seen a video of an attempted acid attack outside Bolton Station. 

Also  a video where a group up Derby Street at planning how to go back and attack anyone live streaming..

 

before anyone says, I've been sat here waiting for a phone call since 10am, and i really do have nothing better to do.. 

[mickbrown]

3 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Shocking scenes. Undoubtedly the far-right are involved. They want locking up.

Many, many people in this country have very legitimate and deeply held concerns about immigration. The vast majority are not out on the streets indulging in mindless violence and do not have "far-right" or racist views. These rioters are doing their cause no favours. Nor have the equivalent social disorder problems in other countries in recent times, notably the Republic of Ireland.

I hope the Government recognises that people who have views on immigration are entitled to do so and do not use this reprehensible behaviour to brush those views aide as somehow minority/fringe/extremist. 

 

This

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

4 minutes ago, Ani said:

Posted the link mate, it was the 4th most important. Not the biggest. 

The link is for the general election in 2024

It can be true that immigration was the fourth most important issue when deciding to vote in the recent general election - although, it's interesting that when asked to select a single biggest issue, immigration was the biggest single issue for the second largest percentage of those polled, even if only marginally - and was the main driving factor in the vote to leave the EU

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Just highlighting what @bolty said and what’s now been said noncey chops 

whats the difference between a thug and a far right thug?

I think if you're that way inclined, you were going to do it anyway

doubt a genuine peaceful protestor has decided to do something a bit more extreme because Starmer labelled them

anyway, no riots in Stockport, just been the swimming pool, dead busy probabaly 30% Muslim, and we all got along just fine

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

just seen a video of an attempted acid attack outside Bolton Station. 

Also  a video where a group up Derby Street at planning how to go back and attack anyone live streaming..

 

before anyone says, I've been sat here waiting for a phone call since 10am, and i really do have nothing better to do.. 

Is this from the Hope not Hate pro peace lot or the EDL 

[BobyBrno]

10 minutes ago, fatolive said:

I’ve just been to pick my son up as he rang me . He works part time in TK Maxx and quite a crowd of dickheads , sorry  mean patriots , have decided that that is now one of the pillars of Islam and we’re bricking that and the other Islamic state of Wickes next door. 
 
I drove in the back way from Bridgman street as the main road was chocca , was met with I’d say about 50-100 hooded youths running away from a similar number of riot police . 
I drove through it ( only needed them wearing ski goggles and I could’ve been Del  Boy 😄) got to Tk maxx, rang my son but his manager wouldn’t open the shutters to let anyone out as a safety precaution, so I sat in my car watching people getting chased . 
I went left out of the main road exit due to it looking iffy by the station, haven’t say , there were crowds gathering on Derby street and it looked moody up there too 

I called into Sainsbury’s for petrol about an hour ago. As I was filling up about 200 - 300 kids came running through from the University end followed by the riot police, about 50ish. Had to exit onto Trinity St. and there were about 6 police vans going up and down. The riot police then went over towards the station and stayed there as I drove away. I said kids, typically between 12 and 16. Boys and girls. 

[wakey]

31 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Wakey.

Just because you weren't aware of the issue, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

Where have you been?

Remember 7/7 for example?

Lee Rigby.

Grooming gangs.

Manchester bomb happened before we'd left!

Plenty of others too.

Yes recent years have seen the problems grow, and that's due to the increasing numbers and increasing pressure on society. 

Claiming the problems have only arisen since the vote to leave the EU is at best naive ignorance.

Been here all along 🙂

Not saying it's only arisen since Brexit, I'm saying it wasn't viewed as a priority until - at most - a few years before.

You've made me google you bastard 😁.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/migrations/en-uk/files/Assets/Docs/News/General_Election_2010-An_Overview.PDF

Page 27 has voting issues for 2010 election.

Top is economy 32%, then health and education. 

To be fair, immigration / asylum is 4th - higher than I thought, but still well behind at 14% and hardly something folk were about to take to the streets over.

 

[burnden]

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Edited August 4, 2024 by burnden

[fatolive]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I called into Sainsbury’s for petrol about an hour ago. As I was filling up about 200 - 300 kids came running through from the University end followed by the riot police, about 50ish. Had to exit onto Trinity St. and there were about 6 police vans going up and down. The riot police then went over towards the station and stayed there as I drove away. I said kids, typically between 12 and 16. Boys and girls. 

Yeh that will be the same lot I saw I’d say . 
 

Edited August 4, 2024 by fatolive
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[Guest]

11 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Shocking scenes. Undoubtedly the far-right are involved. They want locking up.

Many, many people in this country have very legitimate and deeply held concerns about immigration. The vast majority are not out on the streets indulging in mindless violence and do not have "far-right" or racist views. These rioters are doing their cause no favours. Nor have the equivalent social disorder problems in other countries in recent times, notably the Republic of Ireland.

I hope the Government recognises that people who have views on immigration are entitled to do so and do not use this reprehensible behaviour to brush those views aide as somehow minority/fringe/extremist. 

 

Agree with all of this. Entirely. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, wakey said:

Been here all along 🙂

Not saying it's only arisen since Brexit, I'm saying it wasn't viewed as a priority until - at most - a few years before.

You've made me google you bastard 😁.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/migrations/en-uk/files/Assets/Docs/News/General_Election_2010-An_Overview.PDF

Page 27 has voting issues for 2010 election.

Top is economy 32%, then health and education. 

To be fair, immigration / asylum is 4th - higher than I thought, but still well behind at 14% and hardly something folk were about to take to the streets over.

 

And yet immigration was also the fourth priority in the general election this year

I don't think looking at general election polling will really reveal very much

[Tonge moor green jacket]

It's got continually worse since.

Also remember in 2010, the world had had the banking crisis, for which incumbent governments copped the blame.

Wrongly so, but that's what happened. 

Similarly this time, but with the immigration issue far more prominent.

I also wonder where these surveys are carried out. I don't know anyone who has ever been approached.

 

[captainmed]

Media & Starmer are to blame. 

They kept using the words “Far right” earlier in the week, when it was just simply pure anger. 

The public have since thought - if you think we’re “far right” then we’ll act like that.

They fuelled the fire.