tomski Posted May 7 Posted May 7 4 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: I never feel like having two 'number 1's' benefits teams when they start chopping and changing. But, SS has clearly known for a while that he didn't want Baxter and he still started him over Southwood. 1 hour ago, thebells said: Agree on this. I expect Southwood to be number 2 next season. Albeit probably the best number 2 in the division. No way he’s our no1 next season. I’d be stunned Quote
frank_spencer Posted May 7 Posted May 7 We can't payroll 2 keepers expecting to be 1st choice, if Southwood isn't our number one next year then he'll be playing elsewhere Quote
tomski Posted May 7 Posted May 7 1 minute ago, frank_spencer said: We can't payroll 2 keepers expecting to be 1st choice, if Southwood isn't our number one next year then he'll be playing elsewhere He’s not a number 1. Unless we want to stay in division 3 for a longtime Quote
frank_spencer Posted May 7 Posted May 7 1 minute ago, tomski said: He’s not a number 1. Unless we want to stay in division 3 for a longtime I don't highly rate him but iirc he's on 1st team keeper wages. So if he's here next season I expect him to be our number 1 Quote
Duck Egg Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Southwood, despite a good reputation, came to the club as a no2 to Baxter. He may be first choice next season or may be fighting for the spot for whoever SS brings in. Quote
Dr. Feelgood Posted May 7 Posted May 7 1 hour ago, Rival Son said: But if the advert is seen, they must be playing! Exactly. What a conundrum. Quote
Big E Posted May 7 Posted May 7 4 minutes ago, gonzo said: Fair play to him having some down time during his time off Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted May 7 Posted May 7 1 hour ago, thebells said: Funnily enough I’d agree for every other position on the pitch, except keeper. I think we are vulnerable with Southwood in goal. He’s good with his feet, agile, and has plenty of qualities. I do worry against the more physical ‘balls in the box’ type teams that he may be exposed. Time will tell I guess. I'd agree with all of that (and I'd add he seems to have a great attitude) except I still find the "good with his feet" bit a mystery. Its not that he's poor, but he's just another keeper that fancies himself as an outfield player. I see a lot of long passes into touch or to the opposing CBs, and against Stevenage he could have easily cost us 2 goals with hospital balls to (I think) Matete on the edge of the box facing his own goal. One incident in particular was comical it was so amateurish. Hopefully we sign a keeper who has no confidence in joining in passing triangles, so he adopts the tactics of Jussi or Felgate and boots it well into the opposition half towards our new Drogba/SKD. Quote
L/H White Posted May 7 Author Posted May 7 40 minutes ago, Big E said: Fair play to him having some down time during his time off He's been off since August Quote
Wanderlust Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Unless Sharon dumps her shares to a Saudi billionaire I don’t think much dosh will be going on a goalie seeing as it’s the least of our problems. Hutchinson has been given a deal and may well be Southwood’s back up with Baxter’s salary going into the pot for recruitment elsewhere - we just don’t know the rebuild budget. At this stage the retained list looks as much a cost cutting exercise as deck clearance but we’ll know more when the meat market gets into full swing. Quote
Casino Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Southwood was on Salfords radar He was on Cheltenham wages Hes not on big money Quote
barrycowdrill Posted May 8 Posted May 8 Think it’s highly likely Southwood will be our No 1 next season to be honest. He’s a solid, dependable keeper for L1 and the main job won’t be getting a better version of him, it’ll be improving the back line to protect him more full back areas are a problem, defensive midfield is a problem, then you chuck in the fact he’s after wingers, a target man and another striker who will run in behind, then trying to improve on a steady L1 keeper is low down on the priority list for me Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 8 Posted May 8 1 hour ago, barrycowdrill said: Think it’s highly likely Southwood will be our No 1 next season to be honest. He’s a solid, dependable keeper for L1 and the main job won’t be getting a better version of him, it’ll be improving the back line to protect him more full back areas are a problem, defensive midfield is a problem, then you chuck in the fact he’s after wingers, a target man and another striker who will run in behind, then trying to improve on a steady L1 keeper is low down on the priority list for me In fucking one. A strong keeper gives confidence to a back line. A back line and poor team defensively will give even a top keeper the willies, and mistakes will ensue. He may well go for another keeper, but I reckon it's not as high a priority as other positions. Quote
mickbrown Posted May 8 Posted May 8 12 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I find the initial statement bizarre. I'd like to think a promotion side isn't so beholden to a keeper, and that it would be more a sum of its parts. Read somewhere that both Southwood and Baxter were amongst the lowest percentages of shots saved in the division. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted May 8 Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: In fucking one. A strong keeper gives confidence to a back line. A back line and poor team defensively will give even a top keeper the willies, and mistakes will ensue. He may well go for another keeper, but I reckon it's not as high a priority as other positions. Interesting what SS has said in latest BN piece about needing to embed structure in the team and play over Summer. People doing simple things, quickly and well, and knowing where they're supposed to be on the pitch, so if we lose the ball teams don't easily charge through us because we're all over the place. Concerted work on that stuff will hopefully reduce by some way the volume of shots / headers the keeper has to face. Ally that with a return to the lower risk distribution that was a feature of JD's games and first few of SSs and Southwood ought to be a solid enough performer. Him and Baxter have been playing behind a relegation standard defence all season Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 8 Posted May 8 57 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Read somewhere that both Southwood and Baxter were amongst the lowest percentages of shots saved in the division. Not particularly surprising. It must be a bit soil destroying for a keeper seeing an opposition piling through their lines, putting indecision into their minds. You'd perhaps have to look at the opposing team's xG in conjunction with those statistics. Quote
Cheese Posted May 8 Posted May 8 13 hours ago, SalCity Biggie said: Am I the only one who feels a bit sad today at the release of the players? No. They played a massive part in my lad falling in love with BWFC - especially Rico. Feels a bit like the end of an era to me, but I'm just being sentimental. Quote
Gonk Posted May 8 Posted May 8 18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not particularly surprising. It must be a bit soil destroying for a keeper seeing an opposition piling through their lines, putting indecision into their minds. You'd perhaps have to look at the opposing team's xG in conjunction with those statistics. Once a gardener... Quote
Gonk Posted May 8 Posted May 8 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: No. They played a massive part in my lad falling in love with BWFC - especially Rico. Feels a bit like the end of an era to me, but I'm just being sentimental. 1 sub appearance since January should ease the pain of your lad Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 8 Posted May 8 18 minutes ago, Gonk said: Once a gardener... Haha. Hadn't noticed that. Maybe some relevance though: a keeper soiling himself at yet another charge on his goal! Quote
Cheese Posted May 8 Posted May 8 20 minutes ago, Gonk said: 1 sub appearance since January should ease the pain of your lad He's not arsed to be honest. As I said, I'm just being sentimental. Quote
barrycowdrill Posted May 8 Posted May 8 (edited) The squad is built on the principle of ‘if we have the ball the opposition can’t hurt us’ however, we’ve seen time and time again they’re not good enough to deliver that successfully. Play inevitably breaks down, we lose the ball and we’re easy to slice through. Any conservatism in the team such as “if we lose the ball here and we’re in the shit so I’ll just sit back a touch” was a complete foreign principle to them. I don’t dare try and recollect how many times we saw the midfielders or wing backs tearing back and being wrong side and us outnumbered because that basic thought / in game knowledge wasn’t in anyone’s minds. that’s going to be the challenge for Schuey this pre season. Teaching stupid dogs new tricks Edited May 8 by barrycowdrill Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted May 8 Posted May 8 48 minutes ago, Cheese said: No. They played a massive part in my lad falling in love with BWFC - especially Rico. Feels a bit like the end of an era to me, but I'm just being sentimental. Us older fans are a bit longer in the tooth and more easy come, easy go about it but for young ones just in their fledgling seasons of supporting a club it can, to them, be a big thing. They're their first heroes, first people they've had on a shirt, might have a photo with them etc. Quote
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