Eddie Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Very surprised at the negativity. 1st half was poor but they didn’t create much apart from when Ince cut in against Grounds and only managed to score from a corner which was piss poor. Take that out of the equation and everyone’s happy with 0-0 at half time, no matter how we’d played. 2nd half was completely different, we were the better team and dominated for large periods. The centre backs are comfortable on the ball, Williams and Lowe were happy to accept the pass, Oztumer was everywhere and always open for the ball to be played in to him, him and Williams linked especially well. I’d go as far as saying it was the best half of football we’d played, until they got their second which came from Donaldson not being able to lay a ball off 5 yards (1 of 4 times he did it in 20 minutes). How the ref ruled the goal out I’ll never know, he was a picky cunt all game. If that is allowed then I reckon we’d have gone in to win it. Shit result but there was enough there to show improvement for me, again Ameobi would have made a massive difference. Big positive that Oztumer now believes he can play in this league and is really starting to dictate, he’s in a different league to Vela in that position. Keep that midfield 3 and we’ll be fine. Fair play to the fans too, half decent turn out all things considered and made some decent noise - that famous Stoke atmosphere has well and truly fucked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, KP said: The typical criticism of most English football fans. It’s a load of bollocks. If the rest of our carthorses were even slightly on his wavelength he’d be absolutely fine. Unfortunately, they’re not. Have to agree. Passing 5 yards seemed a challenge for most. williams can hold his head up as I feel he at least mixed it. My biggest frustration is we seem to play the same way winning or losing . Hanging on for dear life. It's exciting when we have something to hang on to but seems a bit mental when not. Much more soundly beaten than at boro for me but again it was a missed opportunity to have a go for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Alf Hartigan Posted October 2, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2018 Eddie's report is what I want to be hearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 47 minutes ago, medwaywhite said: Just seen the disallowed goal again never in memory is that a foul Welcome to 2018, foul all day long. Did you watch the world cup??! games gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, tomski said: Much more soundly beaten than at boro for me but again it was a missed opportunity to have a go for me. Not having that, we didn’t have a sniff at Boro but tonight we had far more chances and generally far more in the game, especially second half. If Magennis takes his chance early on then it was potentially West Brom away all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I thought it was poor first half and good second half without ever really looking like getting a result. Add Ameobi for Noone and to me that looks a side that could go to places like Stoke and often get results. We just lack an outlet away from home. When Oztumer gets it he needs someone who he can give it to who can get us up the pitch. Buckley and Noone graft but don’t offer enough outlet for me between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Looking at their first again our defender was pushed away, definite foul. The disallowed goal was 6 of one, half a dozen of the other and shouldn’t of been disallowed, if anything our lad was fighting the foul so at least should of been a penalty. Sounds biased I know, but it isn’t, I honestly think we’ve been hard done by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, Eddie said: Very surprised at the negativity. 1st half was poor but they didn’t create much apart from when Ince cut in against Grounds and only managed to score from a corner which was piss poor. Take that out of the equation and everyone’s happy with 0-0 at half time, no matter how we’d played. 2nd half was completely different, we were the better team and dominated for large periods. The centre backs are comfortable on the ball, Williams and Lowe were happy to accept the pass, Oztumer was everywhere and always open for the ball to be played in to him, him and Williams linked especially well. I’d go as far as saying it was the best half of football we’d played, until they got their second which came from Donaldson not being able to lay a ball off 5 yards (1 of 4 times he did it in 20 minutes). How the ref ruled the goal out I’ll never know, he was a picky cunt all game. If that is allowed then I reckon we’d have gone in to win it. Shit result but there was enough there to show improvement for me, again Ameobi would have made a massive difference. Big positive that Oztumer now believes he can play in this league and is really starting to dictate, he’s in a different league to Vela in that position. Keep that midfield 3 and we’ll be fine. Fair play to the fans too, half decent turn out all things considered and made some decent noise - that famous Stoke atmosphere has well and truly fucked off. That's how I saw it Eddie, 1st half was par for the course in any away game in this league for years. 2nd half was probably only bettered by 1st half at PNE and maybe WBA this season. Ameobi was missed hugely in last 2 games so we can only improve. Williams and Oz really showed what they are all about in the 2nd half and added to the centre backs playing it on the deck I saw real shoots of recovery in our style of play. It's been huge for me that Ozzie has most definitely replaced Vela in Parkys eyes. It changes the whole style of play. Also getting Donaldson on is a positive, he will make an impact eventually with his strength and direct style. Negatives were the 2 wingers very poor and both goals very avoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter victor meldrew Posted October 2, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2018 we were really poor too many players off the pace how many times do we give the ball away and the m6 can fuck right off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Alf Hartigan Posted October 2, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, victor meldrew said: we were really poor too many players off the pace how many times do we give the ball away and the m6 can fuck right off out of interest, if i'd set off from Howfen at 6pm, would I have made KO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter victor meldrew Posted October 2, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2018 yes, coming back was the problem, down to one lane, three times with no one working , traffic management in this country is on a par with the railways FUCKING BOLLOCKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said: out of interest, if i'd set off from Howfen at 6pm, would I have made KO Piece of piss. We left Leigh at 5.15 and were in Frankie & Benny’s at Trentham Gardens for 6.25. Freakishly quiet on the M6. Arse coming back with the diversion though, only just got back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just back. They were the better team with better players in the first half & deserved to be ahead with the early goal buggering up our plans. 2nd half, we played quite well & got on top with Oz & Williams starting to show an understanding, & then the disallowed goal looked a harsh decision against us. After the 2nd goal as we pushed forward. it was game over. Not that bad......move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted October 3, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just watching that goal again, I don’t believe Simpson is a ‘bad’ referee - he’s a cheat. He can fuck off with Riley & Knight as cheating scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Can't beleive the ref disallowed that goal we just don't get any help from these refs . Must have the worst reds in football in this division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emus wig Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Forget the disallowed goal Magennis never got a free kick all night off that twat . Ran his bollocks off all night till he was subbed . Must have been incredibly frustrating for him . Keep it up Josh . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbwfcd Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 We started well then stoke dominated the rest of the first half. Second half we played better. Robbed of a goal, but result was fair reflection of the game in the end. I think there are reasons to be positive out of the back of that. Just need to turn that into points. Thanks to whoever told the ifollow commentator to stop saying ‘recycled’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 3, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Casino said: Seeing as pros don't learn how to pass at 25 years old it's oztumer who will need to adapt Race to the bottom? Others seemed to think he did ok. Which is it? I don't mind a defeat if there is an ongoing development in the way we play. If oz is starting a few games and evidence of some improvement in an attacking sense from midfield then that's a plus. I don't accept these players aren't able to pass the ball better than they currently do, no world beaters, but professionals (as you say) in the second highest level in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Think we’re giving stoke too much respect yes they have some big name Charlie’s and knocked it about nice however for the 20 min spell we got back in we made them look very average Blackburn and Rotherham found there weak areas no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 We just don’t have any other way of playing. We will scrape enough points together like Saturday to survive imo. But nights last night, after going a goal down so early and no clientele to change things are always going to happen. If we win on Saturday it will be a stuffy 1-0 in a drab affair. Same at Rotherham. Then Forest will twat us 3-0. And the cycle continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Safe to say our best player is a lad who got picked up from the league below who half on here didn’t want and didn’t feel he’d make the grade Oz needs to be the fulcrum of this team and PP needs to find the way to get the best out of him. He’s definitely got the ability to be a very good signing but he’s just not in the game enough. Picking up stray balls from Magennis flick ons isn’t the way to get him in it. Lowe was solid again, Williams also but we just look toothless the majority of the time biggest compliment I can give Wilson is we didn’t miss Wheater. Both he and Hobbs are far more comfortable on the ball it allows Matthews to roll it out at times rather than the big lump never expected anything down there, didn’t get anything, on to the bastards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I went last night and the only positive I could take from the game is that we won’t be losing the “mongiest fans in the league” title anytime soon. Fuck me there’s some clowns who follow us, granted every club has them but we seem to have quite a few more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy10 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I was in a box with stokies. They said that 1st half was the best they've played this season. They were worried 2nd half as we improved. Negative tactics in 1st half. But the comparison with their wealth was also recognised. It will be very tough to stay up with what we have spent on players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Think we’re giving stoke too much respect yes they have some big name Charlie’s and knocked it about nice however for the 20 min spell we got back in we made them look very average Blackburn and Rotherham found there weak areas no problem wigan too, but they shouldve been 3 down they beat swansea they really are streets in front of us, up front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 hours ago, barrycowdrill said: Safe to say our best player is a lad who got picked up from the league below who half on here didn’t want and didn’t feel he’d make the grade Oz needs to be the fulcrum of this team and PP needs to find the way to get the best out of him. He’s definitely got the ability to be a very good signing but he’s just not in the game enough. Picking up stray balls from Magennis flick ons isn’t the way to get him in it. Lowe was solid again, Williams also but we just look toothless the majority of the time biggest compliment I can give Wilson is we didn’t miss Wheater. Both he and Hobbs are far more comfortable on the ball it allows Matthews to roll it out at times rather than the big lump never expected anything down there, didn’t get anything, on to the bastards Not sure that is "safe to say". The concept of "best player" is an odd one. But right now if I had to choose a player to be injured Oztumer would be one I could say we'd cope without. Lowe, Olkowski, Wheater, Magennis are critical to us. Ameobi too when he's back. Oztumer is tidy and will improve but done nothing yet of note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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