Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, Ani said: Think he should have been given the option. To be clear I am sure Labour are playing games as well. We dont know what was said in reality, but given his conducting much in public, could they have trusted him to keep quiet whilst it was finalised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: We dont know what was said in reality, but given his conducting much in public, could they have trusted him to keep quiet whilst it was finalised? Do you think the Tories could have done more or better ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Sorry mate, can't agree. New funds to be backdated to August too for places round here that have been under restrictions for longer. Yes and thats great but why has it taken London to speak out for this to be announced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 59 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Yes and thats great but why has it taken London to speak out for this to be announced? I think we all know the answer to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 nightingale hospital in manchester reopening today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 56 minutes ago, jules_darby said: I think we all know the answer to that Absolutely we do. It’s indefensible. And just reiterates the contempt for other parts of the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Absolutely we do. It’s indefensible. And just reiterates the contempt for other parts of the uk It does appear that way doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 hours ago, birch-chorley said: Not sure if this was shared previously..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54433305 ‘The average age at death for those who died with Covid-19 in Scotland was 79 for men and 84 for women. Elsewhere in the NRS report it showed that life expectancy in Scotland is 77.1 for males and 81.1 for females.’ This is a huge price to pay to save the life of someone who (on average) is already past their life expectancy! The cost of Covid in year 1 is £400bn (forgetting the cost of the long term economic damage, likely to take us past £1tn) The worst case scenario 500k would have died if we did nothing, 50k have died anyway so far despite the fact we have trashed the economy. Let’s say after all this we have saved 400k lives (which is likely too high once we have accounted for all the extra cancer deaths as nobody has been able to get into hospital) £400bn to save 400k lives = £1m spent per life saved. Given the average age of a Covid death is already above life expectancy is safe to assume that after we have spent a million saving a life they will go on to die within the next year or two anyway. Worst case we had let it go then yes excess deaths in 2020 and 2021 would have likely been 200k higher per annum. However 2022, 2023, 2024 & 2025 would have been much lower than average given the vulnerable group was much smaller, the 5 year average wouldn’t have ended up that far off the norm IMO This is a chronic waste of money if you ask me, we would have been better serviced spending this sort of money elsewhere. It could have re built all our hospitals and given us all a better health service for generations, saving millions of lives over the next 50 years What a waste 400k lives all over 70 how much would they save in Paying Pensions too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2020 Well done Andy Burnham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Absolutely incredible the level of support this government is offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Santa Sunak throwing cash about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Grey said: Bit like the colonel on an away day 😏 Yeah in the cheapest boozer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 22, 2020 Author Members Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Santa Sunak throwing cash about Raining reddies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Whilst I disagree with his thinking, I do understand Birch's frustration at the amount of money we are going to be spending on protecting the vulnerable. Whilst we know that some younger people are vulnerable for different reasons, most of the people we are worried about purely because of their age. Something over which they clearly have no control. Just wondering if people you also think the NHS should be refusing treatment to people who need care for things over which they most definitely have had control. So should we refuse to treat lung cancer for smokers? Refuse to treat liver disease for heavy drinkers. Refuse to treat skin cancer for those with a good tan. Surely a fairer way of saving money if you want to go down this route? At least "punishing" people for their actions. Rather than for just being mature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2020 We’re on our fucking arse aren’t we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Spider said: We’re on our fucking arse aren’t we? We are, and in a similar place to many other countries. At least the vaccine will arrive, Kent assures us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Absolutely incredible the level of support this government is offering. It is, we'll have to pay it back soon, and no doubt some will have short memories and start to complain when taxes rise. For now though, it's the right thing to do, we'll worry about the extra taxes at a later date Edited October 22, 2020 by Sweep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I hope some of the fucking barbarians on here don't have pets, woe betide if they fall ill or need a vet, bump - game over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Sweep said: It is, well have to pay our back soon, and no doubt sine will have sorry memories and start to complain when taxes rise. For now though, it's the right thing to do, we'll worry about the extra taxes at a later date Don’t forget the cuts to public services 50% of services provided are either health or Social Care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, Sweep said: It is, well have to pay our back soon, and no doubt sine will have sorry memories and start to complain when taxes rise. For now though, it's the right thing to do, we'll worry about the extra taxes at a later date Could do with clamping down on the big earners registered abroad to avoid paying their dues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, wiggy said: Whilst I disagree with his thinking, I do understand Birch's frustration at the amount of money we are going to be spending on protecting the vulnerable. Whilst we know that some younger people are vulnerable for different reasons, most of the people we are worried about purely because of their age. Something over which they clearly have no control. Just wondering if people you also think the NHS should be refusing treatment to people who need care for things over which they most definitely have had control. So should we refuse to treat lung cancer for smokers? Refuse to treat liver disease for heavy drinkers. Refuse to treat skin cancer for those with a good tan. Surely a fairer way of saving money if you want to go down this route? At least "punishing" people for their actions. Rather than for just being mature. I don’t think I’ve ever said we shouldn’t treat them. However the majority of the £400bn hasn’t gone on treatments, far from it, it’s gone on paying workers to stay at home and businesses to close In a world where money was no object our annual NHS budget would be double what it is or even more (currently £140bn a year). We would have the latest cancer drugs, brand new hospitals, loads of staff working 37 hour weeks, better investment in social care to look after patients when they leave hospital etc etc. All of these would lead to tens of thousands of lives saved every year. But we don’t have a bottomless budget so the NHS and social care has to do what it can with what it has available year in and year out However, we now seem to have a bottomless budget. If we had given the NHS an extra £40bn a year for 10 years that extra investment would have saved more lives than we have done here easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Spider said: Well done Andy Burnham. Has he finally said ‘follow the government guidelines, protect the NHS, save lives’ Nope, thought not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnestTurnip Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 He said it the other day didn't he, about 32:20 in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 22, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2020 If we need to save/make money can we not 1) stop funding trident, it's not like we need it, just don't tell anyone that we're not funding it and keep a fake rocket pointing towards russia 2) stop with foreign aid, they've had plenty, Africa are coping with covid, it's about time they gave something back 3) legalise weed but tax it I'm sure there is loads more we could be doing, and divert money from places it doesn't need to be going right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: If we need to save/make money can we not 1) stop funding trident, it's not like we need it, just don't tell anyone that we're not funding it and keep a fake rocket pointing towards russia 2) stop with foreign aid, they've had plenty, Africa are coping with covid, it's about time they gave something back 3) legalise weed but tax it I'm sure there is loads more we could be doing, and divert money from places it doesn't need to be going right now Fuck off HS2 for a start. Don't need the extra capacity now half the commuters are working remotely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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