Coronavirus

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't suppose you can be nicked for masturbating in your own home.

Not sure I would want to put it to the test stood on my doorstep with tactical aid on the driveway 😂😂

[Biggish Dave]

2 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

What's Labour got to do with anything?

Just saying people are quick to bash the tories - this would have caught out all parties. The time for pointing fingers isnt now

[miamiwhite]

3 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

What's Labour got to do with anything?

Sounds like Groundhog Day 😂

[Morizio]

30 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They don't know there's no gathering until they've had a look though!

I suspect (from the bloke's comments) that he knew they were at his door. So it's possible that had anything been going on, everyone could have gone silent before they got there.

As you say, the law is the law, and currently that gives them authority to go in if they have reasonable suspicion. Whether folk are happy or not.

He could quite easily have prevented any of it by simply inviting in one of them to check, whilst the others stayed at the door.

If a team of officers arrive at my door tomorrow and say there's been a report of a gathering, I'll gladly stand well away while one has a mooch.

If she's got a good pair of norks, I might even make her a brew.

https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Support/Health-safety/Documents/Coronavirus-Act-2020-030420-public.pdf
 

this is the act. 
 

ive not seen anything within that supports the choice of action 

re not looking, there was nothing to look at as there was no gathering. I’m not quite sure what you are suggesting here.

you choose to let them in, that’s your choice. I wouldn’t unless I was satisfied that they were acting lawfully. 
 

let’s put it this way.  You’re at home, done nothing wrong. Your door gets smashed in and in walk 4 strangers. Would you be happy?

[Casino]

Depends if they'd knocked a few times and warned me the door was coming in if I didn't open it

How many times had they knocked and how many times did they whisper to him that the door was coming in

[Morizio]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Depends if they'd knocked a few times and warned me the door was coming in if I didn't open it

How many times had they knocked and how many times did they whisper to him that the door was coming in

What was the result? They had a look around and then left. No offences committed. 
 

Listen at the door, look through the window. Their own guidance states enforcement is the last option. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Morizio said:

What was the result? They had a look around and then left. No offences committed. 
 

Listen at the door, look through the window. Their own guidance states enforcement is the last option. 

Yes whilst that is undoubtedly the case they are in some cases a law unto themselves as we all know. Power goes to the head. 
 

 

[Morizio]

29 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

yeah I see why that would be useful but I’m just not in the habit of filming anything. I rarely even take photographs! 
 

 

Emergency situations can lead to some of those in authority misinterpreting the law and their responsibilities. There’s already reports of it. 
 

This is new, rushed legislation. It’s confusing but the onus is still on the police to act lawfully. 

[Morizio]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Yes whilst that is undoubtedly the case they are in some cases a law unto themselves as we all know. Power goes to the head. 
 

 

Bad apples in every walk of life and emergency situations like this can lead to our liberties being infringed. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Morizio said:

Bad apples in every walk of life and emergency situations like this can lead to our liberties being infringed. 

I did actually type it’s a small minority however. But I deleted it. 
it’s the same as you say in every walk of life a small few spoil it for the rest 

[only1swanny]

 

I had police banging on my door at a house I lived in about 11 years ago, 

Opened the door, they came in (i'm in boxers and t shirt as it was about 2am)

Stuart (something), just going to ask you to come to the station (something along those lines)

I'm not Stuart... got my driving license out of my wallet on the side

"Oh ok, off we go..sorry"

 

Never at one point did I think of swearing, shouting, hiding in another room or hurling abuse at them... Don't think I've every felt the need to hurl abuse at any police, that's not normal behaviour and they must have had some reason for entering with 4 of them

[Morizio]

10 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I did actually type it’s a small minority however. But I deleted it. 
it’s the same as you say in every walk of life a small few spoil it for the rest 

and I think it should be acknowledged that the police are going to be under additional stress at this time. They don’t seem to be issued ppe but still have to have contact with people. 
 

Who is that they take their stress out on though. 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Biggish Dave said:

Just saying people are quick to bash the tories - this would have caught out all parties. The time for pointing fingers isnt now

To be honest mate, I feel there's a bit of a theme on this thread where if folk are critical of some of decision making then it's assumed their Tory bashing or pointing fingers. Got a lot of respect for what their doing- but at the same time being critical, scrutinizing decisions & public pressure has led to some vital U-turns. Calling out mistakes made can prevent a second peak. 

No doubt it would have caught out all parties though. 

[Tombwfc]

2 hours ago, Biggish Dave said:

Just saying people are quick to bash the tories - this would have caught out all parties. The time for pointing fingers isnt now

 

I couldn't care less about what any hypothetical government would or wouldn't be doing, it's irrelevant. There are actual real-life governments who've had to manage this crisis, and it's instructive to look at which strategies have worked and which haven't.

To go back to the original point, if France are saying they fucked up and they have a broadly similar (if not better) outcome than us - how can anyone take our government seriously while they continue to kid on as though everything is going to plan?

 

 

[Wanderlust]

14 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

I couldn't care less about what any hypothetical government would or wouldn't be doing, it's irrelevant. There are actual real-life governments who've had to manage this crisis, and it's instructive to look at which strategies have worked and which haven't.

To go back to the original point, if France are saying they fucked up and they have a broadly similar (if not better) outcome than us - how can anyone take our government seriously while they continue to kid on as though everything is going to plan?

 

 

Mass testing works too.

Tracking down people with the virus and isolating them quickly has been brilliant for South Korea and Germany and would help the UK with our "surge management" approach as per the Government's playbook designed to keep the pressure off beds and other NHS resources. But what's interesting about the article is that Germany has made full use of German businesses of all sizes so they've been able to test huge numbers instead of marginalising our smaller British companies as our Government has.

Of course testing costs money, but the approach is increasingly looking like money well spent.

Sure we'll all have to catch it sooner or later  even if it's by vaccine but until that's available it seems sensible to focus efforts on minimising the number of spreaders as far as possible, if only to buy time.

Equally important is the antibody blood test so we can give folk the all clear as soon as possible and they can then get back to work and help out everyone else. If restrictions are going to be lifted it will surely have to be on that basis i.e. only when an individual gets the antibodies - and is  certified as clear.

There are already something like 60 thousand people who've had it and survived it in the UK so surely they should be allowed to return to work or help out where required without fear of getting it again or passing it on? They could perhaps be roped in to do some of the support work? We need to introduce a card system for cleared people.

And they could help with the problem of 50 million pints going to waste. :)

[jayjayoghani]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

To be honest mate, I feel there's a bit of a theme on this thread where if folk are critical of some of decision making then it's assumed their Tory bashing or pointing fingers. Got a lot of respect for what their doing- but at the same time being critical, scrutinizing decisions & public pressure has led to some vital U-turns. Calling out mistakes made can prevent a second peak. 

No doubt it would have caught out all parties though. 

I was wondering about this earlier, trying to think of the best leader of my lifetime best suited to the current crisis. And be apolitical about it.

Of the Tories, probably Thatcher. She was originally a scientist I think so would have looked at the evidence. Also makes tough decisions and I bet would have locked down earlier. 

From Labour, probably Gordon Brown. His dour manner and realism people would appreciate I think. Pre-2000 Blair too when his popularity still high. 

That said, saw Johnson's speech and thought he came across really well. The delayed lockdown and PPE issues though. History won't judge him well if we do become the worst affected Western country after the USA. 

[birch-chorley]

9 hours ago, Biggish Dave said:

Just saying people are quick to bash the tories - this would have caught out all parties. The time for pointing fingers isnt now

To be fair Dave, the Global financial crash in 2008 had fuck all to do with the Labour Party but it didn’t stop the Tories blaming them for it during and immediately after the crisis 

If you recall the 2010 election Cameron and Osborne called it the Labour debt and said we needed to cut deeper or we would go the same way as Greece (which was also complete bollocks) - The debt now will dwarf all that, interesting to understand if those same politicians still think we will ‘end up like Greece’ 

it’s the nature of Politics I guess, FWIW I don’t blame the Tories for this or Labour for 2008

Edited April 14, 2020 by birch-chorley

[radcliffe white]

Jesus now piers Morgan has Terry Waite on 

struggling to fill the show out 

[freds dad]

16 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Jesus now piers Morgan has Terry Waite on 

struggling to fill the show out 

Terry has got experience of being isolated and being chained to a radiator. 

[radcliffe white]

On another note I didn’t realise how lax Sweden are

top shagger Sven was on news this morning saying it’s more or less business as usual 

[burnden]

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, Morizio said:

https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Support/Health-safety/Documents/Coronavirus-Act-2020-030420-public.pdf
 

this is the act. 
 

ive not seen anything within that supports the choice of action 

re not looking, there was nothing to look at as there was no gathering. I’m not quite sure what you are suggesting here.

you choose to let them in, that’s your choice. I wouldn’t unless I was satisfied that they were acting lawfully. 
 

let’s put it this way.  You’re at home, done nothing wrong. Your door gets smashed in and in walk 4 strangers. Would you be happy?

This is getting hard work.

How would they know there was no gathering?

This is a perverse argument.

Put it another way, four strangers have got into your home. You've called the bobbies before they've attacked you.

They turn up and knock on the door, and you don't answer.

So they just fuck off because they can't see you bleeding out on your kitchen floor, with a 9 inch kitchen knife stuck squarely into your liver.

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, burnden said:

 

So the figures being announced by PHE every day are around 50% lower than deaths given as having been caused by CV19?

Someone needs to get a grip of it.

[Tombwfc]

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

So the figures being announced by PHE every day are around 50% lower than deaths given as having been caused by CV19?

Someone needs to get a grip of it.

The ons figures inevitably will take longer to get together. They are now being produced.

Not sure what there is to get a grip of now.

We all know that the figures are going to be higher, but it's not possible to put both figures for the same day out together.