Members bolty58 Posted October 15, 2020 Members Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 hours ago, MickyD said: Nice one Rashford! Shame he plays for the DMB's. Turning out to be a proper good bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bolton va va Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, miamiwhite said: but,but,but, but ,but,but they're "anti-racist ", & just by saying that, trumps any argument against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, miamiwhite said: "What we are against is the teaching of contested political theories as if they are accepted fact. We don't do this with communism; we don't do with socialism; we don't to it with capitalism". Couldn't agree more with that statement. Except she forgot to add conservatism to the end of that list Good to see she understands the difference between BLM and black lives matter. Unlike some folk who still can't understand why some players are choosing to take the knee. The guilt thing doesn't add up though. Learning about the past in a balanced and honest way doesn't create guilt. Doing shitty things is usually what creates guilt in most people. Newsround had a couple of decent shows about Slavery in Glasgow and Liverpool. The children had an interesting discussion about it and none of them felt guilty about anything. Rashford's got it right by focusing on inequality and poverty. We know that minority communities are disproportionately affected but we also know that white working class communities are equally affected. So let's not let race bog us down from addressing the issue. Good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Very brave statement. I can imagine she's going to get dogs abuse from some - but it was well articulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: "What we are against is the teaching of contested political theories as if they are accepted fact. We don't do this with communism; we don't do with socialism; we don't to it with capitalism". Couldn't agree more with that statement. Except she forgot to add conservatism to the end of that list Good to see she understands the difference between BLM and black lives matter. Unlike some folk who still can't understand why some players are choosing to take the knee. The guilt thing doesn't add up though. Learning about the past in a balanced and honest way doesn't create guilt. Doing shitty things is usually what creates guilt in most people. Newsround had a couple of decent shows about Slavery in Glasgow and Liverpool. The children had an interesting discussion about it and none of them felt guilty about anything. Rashford's got it right by focusing on inequality and poverty. We know that minority communities are disproportionately affected but we also know that white working class communities are equally affected. So let's not let race bog us down from addressing the issue. Good luck to 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: "What we are against is the teaching of contested political theories as if they are accepted fact. We don't do this with communism; we don't do with socialism; we don't to it with capitalism". Couldn't agree more with that statement. Except she forgot to add conservatism to the end of that list Good to see she understands the difference between BLM and black lives matter. Unlike some folk who still can't understand why some players are choosing to take the knee. The guilt thing doesn't add up though. Learning about the past in a balanced and honest way doesn't create guilt. Doing shitty things is usually what creates guilt in most people. Newsround had a couple of decent shows about Slavery in Glasgow and Liverpool. The children had an interesting discussion about it and none of them felt guilty about anything. Rashford's got it right by focusing on inequality and poverty. We know that minority communities are disproportionately affected but we also know that white working class communities are equally affected. So let's not let race bog us down from addressing the issue. Good luck to him. Great post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Does this warrant a sacking and does the report need to come with a warning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, royal white said: Does this warrant a sacking and does the report need to come with a warning? No and no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I can think of a few on here that will say yes. They will be along shortly with their candles whilst kneeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted November 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: No and no Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 From what I saw (brief bit) he simply explained that a higher proportion of south Asians work in the FAs IT depth than another group (can't remember which). How dare he point out that certain groups seem to have different approaches to different work sectors. A racist cunt deserving of instant cremation at the stake. Not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I was watching the 3 leaders from the PL, EFL & FA being interviewed by the Parliamentary Select Committee on Parliament.tv, but fell asleep before Clarke's interrogation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Racist, sexist or homophobic? Nah. Outdated views though. Probably resigned out of embarrassment to be honest. Edited November 10, 2020 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I can think of a few on here that will say yes. They will be along shortly with their candles whilst kneeling :lol:. I had a conversation with some a few months about the use of the word ‘coloured’ I was surprised how bad he thought it was. I genuinely lose track of what is acceptable. Based purely on the use of that I would say no.But If you then add his words on gays, women and people working there plus the recent break away it does seems he is out of touch. I have no idea what his job actually involves but if he is out of touch I have no problem him moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Dear me. I do hope its not just down to him using the term 'coloured'. Whilst its dated and a little ignorant, he's of that age where he probably gets confused about which term to use. Edit - just seen the comments about bummers and stuff, so I think it's probably the correct decision. Edited November 10, 2020 by DazBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ani said: ::lol::. I had a conversation with some a few months about the use of the word ‘coloured’ I was surprised how bad he thought it was. I genuinely lose track of what is acceptable. Based purely on the use of that I would say no.But If you then add his words on gays, women and people working there plus the recent break away it does seems he is out of touch. I have no idea what his job actually involves but if he is out of touch I have no problem him moving on. I still use coloured I’m not ashamed to say. I don’t use it in a derogatory manner and genuinely didn’t know it was deemed derogatory. It’s a shame we are all white Middle Aged men on here or we could have got valuable insight into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I still use coloured I’m not ashamed to say. I don’t use it in a derogatory manner and genuinely didn’t know it was deemed derogatory. It’s a shame we are all white Middle Aged men on here or we could have got valuable insight into it. Why do you still use it? Edit - just spotted you weren't aware it could be seen as offensive. But, now you know, will you continue to use it? Edited November 10, 2020 by DazBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2020 Being gay is a life choice... Hes clearly a dick so time to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Speaking as a not quite middle aged white man I didn't think coloured crossed over into full on racist just not PC. He's of the age where he was told coloured was the correct term to use so there's some leeway there. The combination of that turn of phrase along with the rest of his ramblings mark him as out of touch at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, DazBob said: Why do you still use it? Edit - just spotted you weren't aware it could be seen as offensive. But, now you know, will you continue to use it? @Rudywas it you Who not long back mentioned a black relative that called others black people coloureds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted November 10, 2020 Members Share Posted November 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, royal white said: @Rudywas it you Who not long back mentioned a black relative that called others black people coloureds? Yeah my Jamaican grandma. I personally wouldn’t be offended by it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted November 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Rudy said: Yeah my Jamaican grandma. I personally wouldn’t be offended by it Surely it is a generational thing? My dad was a racist dickhead at times so my mum would say coloured to be more polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Bye, bye. Stupid thing to say, the last 10 years not happened to some folk? I'm on the EDI development group for my new place, it shows why we need this work to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted November 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 hours ago, royal white said: Does this warrant a sacking and does the report need to come with a warning? I think an apology and and an explanation that it's a term that previously didn't offend, but does now, and how we need to have more awareness moving forward would've been more than sufficient in this case A lot of folk don't mean anything by it, we need to move forward, no need to demonise it My grandad used the term paki because that's what his generation did in a non offensive way, if he'd been around now I'm sure he'd have been aghast to think it offended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Grey said: I got pulled up today for saying someone looked 'Oriental' 🤷♂️ Were they having a wank at the time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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