freds dad Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 I think identifying these people is nowhere near as easy or clear cut as people think. They don't walk round openly admitting their intentions. Often their relatives and families are totally unaware of what they're up to. The police and intelligence have huge lists of people under suspicion many of those will never ever do anything like this, many will be innocent people who have been tagged for some incidental reason. Ex counter terrorism boss on the radio saying that there are lots of suspects on the radar but not many under the microscope due to lack of resources. Whether the Manchester bomber who has now been named was radar or microscope we don't yet know. We do know however that he was born here after we took in his family from Libya who were persecuted under Gadaffi. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Peel holdings haven't owned the Trafford centre for years. They sold it to some middle eastern types and it's now owned by Intu Not relevant. They bought them, in response to threat. Is this not one of them urban myths that does the rounds every year or so? No Quote
deane koontz Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Ex counter terrorism boss on the radio saying that there are lots of suspects on the radar but not many under the microscope due to lack of resources. Whether the Manchester bomber who has now been named was radar or microscope we don't yet know. We do know however that he was born here after we took in his family from Libya who were persecuted under Gadaffi. Just said he was known by police and anti terrorism according to the wireless Quote
madthatter Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 if you want to look down that road.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_prevalence_of_consanguinity.svg legal here too, but the catholics kind of frowned on it, so.. Well that wasn't exactly what I was getting at and had to look up consanguinity! The graphic is interesting though but not a route I'd want to go down, really - for obvious reasons. Quote
miamiwhite Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Folk on here have previously knocked,mocked and sneered at fellow posters for mentioning internment as a possible solution to the problem we're seeing now, but once made known to the security forces, especially after returning after fighting in Syria for IS as 400 have done already, then internment does appear to be a very logical solution. I've mentioned Wahhabism on here several times previously having studied it at great length, it's a long read but worth noting the sections on Militant and Political Islam...Wahhabism in the United States...European Expansion. Many Muslims oppose Wahhabism and rightly so, but IS openly adhere to it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism Quote
Ani Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Is this not one of them urban myths that does the rounds every year or so? Yes and appreciate people posting this do so in good faith but on a day like today just does not help. Quote
miamiwhite Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Folk on here have previously knocked,mocked and sneered at fellow posters for mentioning internment as a possible solution to the problem we're seeing now, but once made known to the security forces, especially after returning after fighting in Syria for IS as 400 have done already, then internment does appear to be a very logical solution. I've mentioned Wahhabism on here several times previously having studied it at great length, it's a long read but worth noting the sections on Militant and Political Islam...Wahhabism in the United States...European Expansion. Many Muslims oppose Wahhabism and rightly so, but IS openly adhere to it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism Quote
Mixu Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 I was informed earlier today, that Peel Holdings, who obviously own a number of sites like the Trafford centre, some time ago ordered 8000 body bags in preparedness for such an attack. There's obviously far more shit going on than we will ever truly know. Why 8,000. Less than 3,000 were killed on 9/11 (11/9). And besides, why would a property company feel compelled to supply such an item? Quote
MickyD Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 I wouldn't want to have to get out of there in a rush. From the arena floor via the rear exits it's a labyrinth of corridors and tight stairwells. Imagine it was fucking horrific as the panic set in. Maybe there's a problem in the design stage. I've attended "evacuation" testing which is a measure of how many folk you can get through an exit in a given time. It's the measure that helps an architect to decide how many and how wide all the exits need to be and how far you can travel before reaching another door. What it can't do is replicate the sheer panic felt by those evacuating. I just can't imagine how these mostly young kids must have been feeling in trying to get out to a place of safety. 50,000 people at LCC this Saturday for the Courteeners, imagine a massive police presnece should it go ahead. Both my son and daughter will be there. In their words, not going would be a victory for the terrorists. Coward! Gutless fucking coward! Quote
only1swanny Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Trafford Centre body bags.. funny that.. because they ordered that many last year (allegedly) and the year before.. (allegedly) and the year before when I worked there.. (allegedly) What on earth are they going to do with 32000 body bags? Where are they going to store them? If they had a terror alert for that.. I'm pretty sure they would close... Needless to say.. stuff like that.. doesn't help Quote
only1swanny Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 I'm on a course in Manc tomorrow.. Driving will be a pain, trains aren't all running And i need to be back for 3:30 to get the little one.. Guess i'm not going.. Quote
Dr Faustus Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 We have been shut down completely for two days, imagine it may be longer... Already dreading facing that Quote
Bigtoe Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Wow just listen to Tony Walsh's poem at the vigil. That was unreal. Quote
little whitt Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Why 8,000. Less than 3,000 were killed on 9/11 (11/9). And besides, why would a property company feel compelled to supply such an item? probably based on 10% of shopers/workers per day Quote
little whitt Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Why 8,000. Less than 3,000 were killed on 9/11 (11/9). And besides, why would a property company feel compelled to supply such an item? probably based on 10% of shopers/workers per day Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 I really can't wait to see my kids tonight. Left work early to do the same. Sat in a the garden not listening to the news, been worst day I've had for a long time proper depressed. Quote
little whitt Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 I wouldn't want to have to get out of there in a rush. From the arena floor via the rear exits it's a labyrinth of corridors and tight stairwells. Imagine it was fucking horrific as the panic set in. bit like IKEA hate that place cant see the EXITS Quote
mickbrown Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Wow just listen to Tony Walsh's poem at the vigil. That was unreal. Aye it was. Quote
Sweep Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Why 8,000. Less than 3,000 were killed on 9/11 (11/9). And besides, why would a property company feel compelled to supply such an item? Search on the 'net and you find the same sort of story being spouted about Meadowhall and Canary Wharf as well. Seems it is a bit of an urban myth Quote
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 I deliver round Manchester & MEN is bang in the middle of my patch. I was day off today & have no idea what to expect tomorrow, it somehow makes it feel more personal even though I didn't know any of the poor people who are suffering, what I do know though is the people will not let these sick bastards beat them down. Quote
Casino Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 A couple of tears on the way in Fine at work and then it started on the way home It's good to have something to occupy your mind even as a detached onlooker Lord knows how the bereaved families are coping Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) A couple of tears on the way in Fine at work and then it started on the way home It's good to have something to occupy your mind even as a detached onlooker Lord knows how the bereaved families are coping I wish I had stuff to do at work. I spent all evening stewing over this mess (being 8 hours behind). Didn't sleep a wink last night. Every time I closed my eyes I saw the scenes and heard the screams. My pillow was a bit damp this morning. Just reading that a lot of the victims are children makes everything that little bit worse especially when I start thinking about my nieces and nephews, some of whom are around the same ages and could very easily have been in that situation. Edited May 23, 2017 by SnoopJohnnyJohn Quote
frank_spencer Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Hes a good bloke is Tony. And an excellent poet. Quote
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