barrycowdrill Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 We’re almost masters of our own downfall currently. teams are acutely aware they could get ripped to bits if they come here a bit cavalier. It’s no coincidence Peterborough, Lincoln and Barnsley have all set up the same way. Only interest is stopping our flow making the game really stop start and pinch something on the break. FGR were exactly the same last week. They’re all willing to give up ball and territory and asking us if we’re clever or cute enough to break them down. Overall we haven’t found the answer yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, waffer cup 07 said: If Charles had have taken his chances, none of this talk about our midfield and lack of creativity would be happening and we would be 2 points better off. If Charles had taken his chances at FGR as well we would be 5 points better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: We’re almost masters of our own downfall currently. teams are acutely aware they could get ripped to bits if they come here a bit cavalier. It’s no coincidence Peterborough, Lincoln and Barnsley have all set up the same way. Only interest is stopping our flow making the game really stop start and pinch something on the break. FGR were exactly the same last week. They’re all willing to give up ball and territory and asking us if we’re clever or cute enough to break them down. Overall we haven’t found the answer yet Spot on and all teams have worked us out but unfortunately we have failed to come up with plan b! As others have said are build up is way too slow makes it easier for opponents to get back in formation my question is can IE not see this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 He’s very stubborn look how long it took to axe crellin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QFPants Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 We’re fine if we nick a goal early as teams have to open up. Feels like a lot of our play is based on having so much possession that we tire teams out and finish them off late in the game, and the number of late goals we score proves it. Problem with games recently is we’re so slow moving it across the pitch that a well organised team doesn’t have to exert too much effort and we’re not breaking them down. Then we’re left relying on the ball dropping to us in the area or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 If teams are sitting back against us and playing for a draw etc. then it makes it even more alarming that Evatt thinks that he needs 5 defenders & 2 def midfielders on the pitch. If teams are sitting back then we need more attack minded players on the pitch to try and break them down and we need to move the ball a lot quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Black Sheep said: If teams are sitting back against us and playing for a draw etc. then it makes it even more alarming that Evatt thinks that he needs 5 defenders & 2 def midfielders on the pitch. If teams are sitting back then we need more attack minded players on the pitch to try and break them down and we need to move the ball a lot quicker. That might be so but Evatt chucked on 5 attacking subs and even before that we created 3 good chances which should have resulted in at least 1 goal, my view is he perhaps missed a trick not bringing on Lee or Sheehan when he brought Dempsey on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It felt really weird playing the final few minutes in near darkness. I did wonder if it was a trial for not turning the floodlights on. Was certainly murky to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 16, 2022 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: I did wonder if it was a trial for not turning the floodlights on. What would we have been hoping to learn? Itll be significantly darker next game Id be amazed if the power requirements for the lights are even 5% of our demand on a match day My place has just done fresh LEDs at Chester and Orient. Ill maybe see what they cost to run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Traf said: Connell's big day out, tried to prove a point and failed largely. Came across as a dirty shithouse rather than a decent player. I agree that we need to end the MJ/GT combo unless you sacrifice one of the back 5. We haven't played particularly well these last three games, but we'd enough chances to win at FGR and again today. The team is crying out for some creativity and whilst I accept the "players getting better by not playing" mantra, surely the likes of Sheehan and Sadlier are due some game time in their 'correct' position. Last little thing is that we've no height and/or physicality up top, most teams have 2 big cunts at the back and we still play the high ball to our strikers. Agree on Connell, if you go back to your old club you don't have to do all the "not celebrating if you score" thing but at least treat the place with some respect and show a bit of dignity, and you'll have most fans on your side. He's now got enemies here that will probably last for the rest of his career, assuming our paths cross a few times. On "enough chances to win", that doesn't feel like a comfort, is that not the problem. We'll probably have enough chances at Accrington and Cambridge, but on current form we don't have the players (on the pitch) to take them. I didn't notice too many high balls into the strikers TBH, there were a lot of passes into feet to Charles that he failed to control (and JDB to a lesser extent) and a number of misplaced passes especially from Jones in the 1st half. They had poor games and IE can't be blamed for that, it happens, but there was a lot of football on the floor and I didn't think our lack of height was a factor, especially when corners aren't getting past the first man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, mickbrown said: And the ref. 3 mins of injury time first half after they'd spent 5 minutes fucking about changing linesman. It was 44 minutes plus when they changed the linesman, so other than about 30 seconds the clock was stopped. The 3 minutes effectively didn't include that stoppage. I was more annoyed about the 4 minutes in 2nd half when every time there was a free kick or throw in Barnsley and/or the ref took about a minute over it, no way does that time get added on. The free kick that Barnsley had in injury time took about 2 minutes on its own, and so did Connell's lap of honour when he went off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: It was 44 minutes plus when they changed the linesman, so other than about 30 seconds the clock was stopped. The 3 minutes effectively didn't include that stoppage. I was more annoyed about the 4 minutes in 2nd half when every time there was a free kick or throw in Barnsley and/or the ref took about a minute over it, no way does that time get added on. The free kick that Barnsley had in injury time took about 2 minutes on its own, and so did Connell's lap of honour when he went off. I agree with the second bit. Don't understand the first bit. We don't stop the clock. I wish we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 JDB was our worst player yesterday. He has not got going this season, neither has Charles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: It was 44 minutes plus when they changed the linesman, so other than about 30 seconds the clock was stopped. The 3 minutes effectively didn't include that stoppage. I was more annoyed about the 4 minutes in 2nd half when every time there was a free kick or throw in Barnsley and/or the ref took about a minute over it, no way does that time get added on. The free kick that Barnsley had in injury time took about 2 minutes on its own, and so did Connell's lap of honour when he went off. That throw in towards the end was fucking ridiculous. Barnsley player waited 30 seconds to be passed a towel then spent another 30 seconds drying the ball. Referee just stood and watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, mickbrown said: I agree with the second bit. Don't understand the first bit. We don't stop the clock. I wish we did. I think it's that if there's only one minute of the half left when the linesman needs changing, it doesn't matter if the change takes 10 minutes, there's still only one minute to play on restart, not 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Rizlar said: build up is way too slow makes it easier for opponents to get back in formation my question is can IE not see this ? Yes he can. Different perspective sat behind dugout in the directors box yesterday (great day by the way, despite the result) - I was watching Evatt a lot and, first half in particular, he was really frustrated we weren’t playing it out quicker. I think we are a bit naive as fans if firstly we think Evatt can’t see this. And secondly thinking all the expert advise given on here would easily sort that out. I still maintain one of those Charles chances goes in, we aren’t criticising as much. As has been alluded to, good quality opposition (as in those who have just been in championship) are nullifying us. IE knows this, give him a chance (and our stikers a chance) to rectify this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, bolton va va said: I think it's that if there's only one minute of the half left when the linesman needs changing, it doesn't matter if the change takes 10 minutes, there's still only one minute to play on restart, not 10. Ah. I'm a dick! Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, desperado said: IE knows this, give him a chance (and our stikers a chance) to rectify this I'm pleased if he does. Assuming that it's his job to work on it and see who isn't following the intentions. I don't think anyone is questioning the guy's role, but the slow build up and its consequences are obvious. ... &, of course, you're right. If we stick a chance in then the bus parking will have to change. So let's start sticking them in. See ... simple as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Trotter Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Not much more I can add to what's already been said. Barnsley will (and already have - Ipswich, Wednesday) take points off sides we want to be competing with. They're a big ugly side I wouldn't want to watch every week, but they came here with a plan and executed it well. If on the first day you'd have said 7th in mid-October, we'd have all taken it. Sure, some shit results recently but I trust Evatt to rectify it. I don't think anyone needs to panic just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It felt really weird playing the final few minutes in near darkness. Especially as the daft fuckers had the floodlights on in the sunshine in September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Casino said: What would we have been hoping to learn? Itll be significantly darker next game Id be amazed if the power requirements for the lights are even 5% of our demand on a match day My place has just done fresh LEDs at Chester and Orient. Ill maybe see what they cost to run Neil Hart made it clear the other week that we weren’t interested in the 1pm kick off thing so it’s only speculation on my part, but it did seem really murky at times in the second half. Never mind the electrical cost of the LEDs, there will more than likely be a couple of engineers on site at significant cost for each game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 We could all bring a torch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 17 hours ago, Morizio said: Just got home now. The balls up with the 1713 has caused a knock on across the rail network. Kicked off under the ESU at half time. Three knobs in the platinum suite involved. They seemed to do the rounds across the stand yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted October 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 hours ago, barrycowdrill said: We’re almost masters of our own downfall currently. teams are acutely aware they could get ripped to bits if they come here a bit cavalier. It’s no coincidence Peterborough, Lincoln and Barnsley have all set up the same way. Only interest is stopping our flow making the game really stop start and pinch something on the break. FGR were exactly the same last week. They’re all willing to give up ball and territory and asking us if we’re clever or cute enough to break them down. Overall we haven’t found the answer yet Oh, we fucking have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolton_blondie Posted October 16, 2022 Members Share Posted October 16, 2022 Gutted I missed match to go to Portugal. Christ. I'm shit faced. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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