Wigan (H)

[paulhanley]

6 hours ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

I left after the first half but their three goals were all gifts and apart from us playing shit and handing them all the goals they are not better than us. Too many had atrocious games today and I suppose the occasion affected us and they were up for it.

 

a win next week at Burton and the pain will have gone

No it won't. What's needed is a win at Wigan when we go there. In fact what's needed is a sequence of wins against them to redress the recent balance. But it won't happen because the club doesn't grasp what derby matches mean. 

[Matt Lofthouse]

Still feel drained from that game. So disappointed in Morley really thought he would be our main man this season. Weak as piss and in real danger of getting bombed out the starting 11.
 

Came home to my front door being decorated with blue and white ribbons and a still warm Galloways meat and potato pie hanging on the door handle. Must admit it still made me laugh and that club has just gone up another notch on the cunt list, which is what was exactly intended. 
 

Like our performance, the pie was also fucking shit btw.

Edited August 20, 2023 by Matt Lofthouse

[radcliffe white]

Morley was told pre season he has to step it up, he went off his game similar time last season think it was around Plymouth away

 

[Biggish Dave]

Morley rarely plays well against the better teams and hardly ever dominates the midfield. 

Now Paris is getting up to speed, he'll be starting very soon.

Yesterday, I thought Thomason being on the bench was the right decision pre-match. He's a bit naieve in trying to win tackles not there to be won but he's only going to improve that side of things with game time.

These 2 will be our midfield with Demps for the majority of this season I reckon

[Matt Lofthouse]

Aye, Demsey starting is not even up for debate.

[Eddie]

Surprised how much stick Sheehan is getting. I thought he was our best player on the pitch - the only one that was brave enough to want the ball and he hardly lost it. He wasn’t helped by all those around him hiding and being terrible on the ball, but I thought he was the one standout player and that was playing with a dead leg from being clattered in the middle of the first half.

Morley was poor again, I really don’t think he’s suited to the system and is better playing centrally, either deep in Sheehan’s role or as a 10. As others have said, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Maghoma in for him on Saturday.

[Biggish Dave]

Sheehan is tidy and doesn't lose the ball much but for me, he doesn't do anything with it either especially against teams with a high energy midfield.

Hes a lower league version of Vinny Sideways from Everton. Neat, tidy but safe

[Horwich]

We have not improved as a team and lost two of our better players from last season.

[Eddie]

Just now, Biggish Dave said:

Sheehan is tidy and doesn't lose the ball much but for me, he doesn't do anything with it either especially against teams with a high energy midfield.

Hes a lower league version of Vinny Sideways from Everton. Neat, tidy but safe

Interesting, I’d say exactly the opposite, his job in that role is to pick it up off the back 5 and move it forward and I’d say he does that brilliantly. They put a man on him yesterday so he has having to take it under pressure, but he was still offering and backs his first touch to take it in tight situations and then move it forward to either Dempsey / Morley or the wing backs.

I know what you mean in terms of creating chances etc. but I don’t think that’s his role. 

[Mounts Kipper]

48 minutes ago, Horwich said:

We have not improved as a team and lost two of our better players from last season.

With the exception of yesterday the early signs are that we have improved despite not replacing our best players from last season. I’m thinking and hoping that yesterdays performance was a one off freak result. Let’s see where we are in 10 games when we will be better placed to judge if yesterday was a blip. 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[gonzo]

It's going to take some getting over this.

[RUREADY2ROLL]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Surprised how much stick Sheehan is getting. I thought he was our best player on the pitch - the only one that was brave enough to want the ball and he hardly lost it. He wasn’t helped by all those around him hiding and being terrible on the ball, but I thought he was the one standout player and that was playing with a dead leg from being clattered in the middle of the first half.

Morley was poor again, I really don’t think he’s suited to the system and is better playing centrally, either deep in Sheehan’s role or as a 10. As others have said, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Maghoma in for him on Saturday.

This

They targeted Sheehan and as you say clattered him more than once and didn’t even get a booking. He was ok yesterday when many others had their worst game for ages

[tomski]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It's going to take some getting over this.

My main concern is this is bringing up my Evatt=Phil Neal fears.

Take the pizza cup out he consistently shows he’s not a big game manager.

positives. There isn’t that many big games this year. We have started off pretty well etc.

[Zico]

How I feel today 

 

[gonzo]

15 minutes ago, tomski said:

My main concern is this is bringing up my Evatt=Phil Neal fears.

Take the pizza cup out he consistently shows he’s not a big game manager.

positives. There isn’t that many big games this year. We have started off pretty well etc.

Just not sure what he can do to instill a bit of bottle and urgency in his players. Probably what separates the best from the next best.

All about mindset that yesterday. Its up to him to find players with the right one.

The 50/50 for their second, Randall bottling one right in front of ESL and Morelys disappearing act, not sure how the manager can make this not happen

 

[Jol_BWFC]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Just not sure what he can do to instill a bit of bottle and urgency in his players. Probably what separates the best from the next best.

All about mindset that yesterday. Its up to him to find players with the right one.

The 50/50 for their second, Randall bottling one right in front of ESL and Morelys disappearing act, not sure how the manager can make this not happen

 

In my view the starting point is to swap some players out. If you make every player think he’s droppable, they’ll play to keep their shirt. Imagine the incentive for Paris, CMG, Thomason etc if they can start and play well against Burton. If they can keep their spot, the likes of Sheehan and Morley have to step up to get it back.

[BWFC_LOVE]

For as good as we were against Lincoln on the opening day, I actually thought Morley was pretty poor that day too.
Thought he was better at Cheltenham, but they were terrible. 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, BWFC_LOVE said:

For as good as we were against Lincoln on the opening day, I actually thought Morley was pretty poor that day too.
Thought he was better at Cheltenham, but they were terrible. 

I think he has been our weakest player so far, aside from Big Dan

[waffer cup 07]

Morley seemed to lose it last seson towards the end and certainly hasn't warranted his place so far this season. Apart from the occasioal goal from a free kick Thomason offers more.

[Eddie]

40 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Just not sure what he can do to instill a bit of bottle and urgency in his players. Probably what separates the best from the next best.

All about mindset that yesterday. Its up to him to find players with the right one.

The 50/50 for their second, Randall bottling one right in front of ESL and Morelys disappearing act, not sure how the manager can make this not happen

 

I was saying to my mate walking back last night - how does Sean Maloney get his team so fired up that they come flying out of the blocks and completely intimidate us in the first 20 minutes, yet Evatt can’t do the same?

I’m not having it that they were much better than us yesterday - we dominated from about minute 20 to 80 but we’d lost the game because we were rabbits in headlights for the first 20.

I do think we have a team full of ‘nice’ guys, but Evatt is a mountain of a man, a right moody bastard, played as a hard man centre back and I just don’t understand how he can’t get us fired up for a game like yesterday and have us fly out from minute one. 

From kick off we did the usual pass pass pass, out to Cogley and McManaman steamed in at full speed, blocked the ball down the line and set the tone. He did it so many times in the first 20 mins that he was fucked for the rest of the half and couldn’t track back - but the damage had been done. We should have launched it over their full back, told Vic or Dan to just nail them, regardless of whether they win it or not and camp them in their half. Rico should have been told that the first time the ball goes in the air, don’t grapple with Wyke, give him a few yards and come piling through the back of him - we set the fucking tone not them. Instead we played it like we were playing Fleetwood again and that has to come down to the manager’s instructions which just baffles me considering what I said earlier.

Edited August 20, 2023 by Eddie

[captainmed]

I’m unsure if yesterdays start (long before they scored) was arrogance or nerves.

Whatever it was it needs sorting out and fast.

Teams who go on to get promoted rarely get walloped 4 at home.

That defeat will really hurt a large percentage of our fan base & we simply must put it behind us ASAP.

Lose @ Burton next week and the good start will be a distant memory.

 

[globaldiver]

2 hours ago, Matt Lofthouse said:

Like our performance, the pie was also fucking shit btw.

The Cheese and Onion pie at the ground was OK

[RoadRunnerFan]

Bit more physicality for these types of games and we'll be reet. Charles back next game, Toal to come back, Paris or Thomasson in for Morley or Sheehan will all give us that.

Hate getting turned over by those rodents but the plan doesn't need ripping up completely. 

[Mounts Kipper]

21 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I was saying to my mate walking back last night - how does Sean Maloney get his team so fired up that they come flying out of the blocks and completely intimidate us in the first 20 minutes, yet Evatt can’t do the same?

I’m not having it that they were much better than us yesterday - we dominated from about minute 20 to 80 but we’d lost the game because we were rabbits in headlights for the first 20.

I do think we have a team full of ‘nice’ guys, but Evatt is a mountain of a man, a right moody bastard, played as a hard man centre back and I just don’t understand how he can’t get us fired up for a game like yesterday and have us fly out from minute one. 

From kick off we did the usual pass pass pass, out to Cogley and McManaman steamed in at full speed, blocked the ball down the line and set the tone. He did it so many times in the first 20 mins that he was fucked for the rest of the half and couldn’t track back - but the damage had been done. We should have launched it over their full back, told Vic or Dan to just nail them, regardless of whether they win it or not and camp them in their half. Rico should have been told that the first time the ball goes in the air, don’t grapple with Wyke, give him a few yards and come piling through the back of him - we set the fucking tone not them. Instead we played it like we were playing Fleetwood again and that has to come down to the manager’s instructions which just baffles me considering what I said earlier.

First 20 minutes they executed game plan perfectly we didn’t cope from there on in, they are a team who are set up to play that way, and are better suited to playing away from home, there isn’t a chance they’ll compete with our points total over a season. 

[onefinfrandsen]

20 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I was saying to my mate walking back last night - how does Sean Maloney get his team so fired up that they come flying out of the blocks and completely intimidate us in the first 20 minutes, yet Evatt can’t do the same?

I’m not having it that they were much better than us yesterday - we dominated from about minute 20 to 80 but we’d lost the game because we were rabbits in headlights for the first 20.

I do think we have a team full of ‘nice’ guys, but Evatt is a mountain of a man, a right moody bastard, played as a hard man centre back and I just don’t understand how he can’t get us fired up for a game like yesterday and have us fly out from minute one. 

From kick off we did the usual pass pass pass, out to Cogley and McManaman steamed in at full speed, blocked the ball down the line and set the tone. He did it so many times in the first 20 mins that he was fucked for the rest of the half and couldn’t track back - but the damage had been done. We should have launched it over their full back, told Vic or Dan to just nail them, regardless of whether they win it or not and camp them in their half. Rico should have been told that the first time the ball goes in the air, don’t grapple with Wyke, give him a few yards and come piling through the back of him - we set the fucking tone not them. Instead we played it like we were playing Fleetwood again and that has to come down to the manager’s instructions which just baffles me considering what I said earlier.

Hindsight I know but I said something similar to my son walking out after the game, if it meant getting a yellow in the first minute then so be it. That first challenge sets the tone.